Dean lost against Gibson

Good point.

I wear a size 13/XXL glove and the tip of middle finger is 9" from the wrist-base of my palm.

Probably why I never feel the heel.

Yeah, my hands are not as large, so some things, like a Les Paul heel, are a little more of an effort to negotiate.

When I had my Les Paul Studio, I was surprised at how much easier some things were on that guitar than my Les Paul Custom. It still has a traditional style heel, but the guitar is just slightly thinner.
 
Yeah, my hands are not as large, so some things, like a Les Paul heel, are a little more of an effort to negotiate.

When I had my Les Paul Studio, I was surprised at how much easier some things were on that guitar than my Les Paul Custom. It still has a traditional style heel, but the guitar is just slightly thinner.

One reason the wider necks allow to play with more articulation.
 
I get hung up a bit on the blocky neck heel as well.
I can get there, but the sculpted necks on my AXL guitars are more comfortable up there.

A Dean v79 deal is in play.
 
@smitty_p - my hand around the neck of a 8 string Jackson.

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" I like big necks and I cannot lie, you other brothers can't deny, when a Strat comes in with a neck too thin and a wimpy, little narrow nut you get sprung!"

Dude!

Yeah, that is my personal frustration with guitar. I don't have exceptionally long reach with my fingers. We have some family friends whose son plays guitar. I remember him when he was just a boy. But, he's grown to be taller than me (I am 6'0"). Anyway, he has these "spider monkey" fingers that can reach almost anywhere on the fret board. I wish I had that.

But, I'm stubborn and I figure out ways to "git 'er done!"
 
Dude!

Yeah, that is my personal frustration with guitar. I don't have exceptionally long reach with my fingers. We have some family friends whose son plays guitar. I remember him when he was just a boy. But, he's grown to be taller than me (I am 6'0"). Plus, he has these "spider monkey" fingers that can reach almost anywhere on the fret board. I wish I had that.

But, I'm stubborn and I figure out ways to "git 'er done!"

Funny that a wide neck is easier for me to play faster and with more precision. I also play "cleaner" on a 24.75" scale.
 
Funny that a wide neck is easier for me to play faster and with more precision. I also play "cleaner" on a 24.75" scale.

It makes perfect sense. Since you have larger hands, the wider neck doesn't force you to "squinch" your hand as tightly, which affords you a little bit more dexterity than otherwise.

The scale thing is kind of odd, isn't it? I used to think it didn't matter to me, and I've made several posts in the past to that point. But, what I am now finding, especially since I've been in crunch mode learning songs at record pace for a new band, is that I do better on some songs with one scale than another. For me, it's not that I necessarily prefer one scale, in general, over another. But, I may play some songs better on a Strat than a Les Paul, and vice versa.

Weird, huh?

I am finding a new appreciation for my Les Paul, though.
 
@smitty_p - my hand around the neck of a 8 string Jackson.

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" I like big necks and I cannot lie, you other brothers can't deny, when a Strat comes in with a neck too thin and a wimpy, little narrow nut you get sprung!"
Yeah. I can get my thumb on the low E and on a good day cover the A as well. Depends on chords I’m playing. As stated. I have baby hands.
 
Hmmmmm....

I've played quite a few different Dean models and I was unimpressed.

@Don O had a $1,400 Zelinski Custom, a Strat-esque model, and the tremolo would NOT return to pitch. It turned out to be a improperly routed cavity rubbing the tremolo block...

Those "traditional" construction methods (Gibson V) are demanded by the purists, even when better, simpler methods are available.
Zelinski, had something special going on before he sold it. Elliot Rubison God rest his soul bought Dean in 1997.

I never compared their "V's" to Gibson Les Paul's and that's a mighty ask. My Dean is merely a import but I love the guitar.
I had a Dean made by Zelenski USA. It was nice I traded to aquire more gear.
A Gibson V and a Gibson Les Paul are completely different in that the Les is higher quality instrument from the gate.
 
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Dude!

Yeah, that is my personal frustration with guitar. I don't have exceptionally long reach with my fingers. We have some family friends whose son plays guitar. I remember him when he was just a boy. But, he's grown to be taller than me (I am 6'0"). Anyway, he has these "spider monkey" fingers that can reach almost anywhere on the fret board. I wish I had that.

But, I'm stubborn and I figure out ways to "git 'er done!"

The Deep 'V' is a very godly neck
 
As others have pointed out, that APP giitar still has a similar shape to Gibson hollowbodies at the time. 1939 Just in terms of shape. Make it solid and...

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Dude!

Yeah, that is my personal frustration with guitar. I don't have exceptionally long reach with my fingers. We have some family friends whose son plays guitar. I remember him when he was just a boy. But, he's grown to be taller than me (I am 6'0"). Anyway, he has these "spider monkey" fingers that can reach almost anywhere on the fret board. I wish I had that.

But, I'm stubborn and I figure out ways to "git 'er done!"

Yeah i hear you about the spider monkey fingers. I wish at times i had them too, but when I see how odd they look, I am happy with what I have, and like you, I gettr done!
 
Seriously, Its time for Gibson to put on a smile and get over it, There will always be similarities , just like there is with other Brand named guitars. They won't stop the competitive market thats here to stay, move on...
 
Well, I am a little fuzzy as to what constitutes a "Guitar"
Is a "guitar" just the body? or does it include the neck and head?
I've been under the impression a guitar includes everything. But maybe I'm wrong and in legalese a guitar shape only counts the body.

Also, at what point is the "shape" not infringing on a copy protected item? Would it be enough to make the body an inch wider? or the angles of the shape a degree more or less than the original? Maybe the cutaways have a little more of a curve to them ... at what point is the shape different enough? Does scale length factor in? What about how many frets? Control layout? Inlays?
When I see a Dean, I dont have to examine it closely to know it a Dean. You can tell its a Dean from afar.

I see a ton of guitars out there that look like an SG, V, Explorer, LP. I own an ESP that looks alot like a LP. Even the headstock is shaped very similar. Maybe that could be copy infringement too.
Hell, how many strat look-a-likes are out there?

Gibson needs to worry about Gibson. I have read too many quality complaints online from Gibson owners, not just haters who dont own one, but people who actually went out, shelled out the money to own a guitar with the Gibson logo on it and within a year have problems with the finish coming off or an electronics issue (that last one happened to me on my SG within a year). They should concentrate on improving the quality of their instruments to merit the much higher cost and not so much on smaller companies who care enough to do it better.

Sorry for the wide ranging rant. Just had to let that out.


I'll drink to that!(y)(y):cheers:
 
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