NCNCBS Day - Celestion Copperback 250

The best part about this speaker is how much mid/treble response it has. My EQ's were always maxed out with Creambacks, and now, my EQ's are much more neutral, and my highs/presence are rolled back even less than noon.

I also found that I reduced my gain settings, from noon to 10am, when i switched to the Copperbacks because of the speaker's clarity and fidelity.

No matter how hard you hit this speaker, it remains clear and articulate. Just keep in mind that it will require re-adjusting your EQ's if you've been using other speakers.
 
Robert Herndon said:
The best part about this speaker is how much mid/treble response it has. My EQ's were always maxed out with Creambacks, and now, my EQ's are much more neutral, and my highs/presence are rolled back even less than noon.

I also found that I reduced my gain settings, from noon to 10am, when i switched to the Copperbacks because of the speaker's clarity and fidelity.

No matter how hard you hit this speaker, it remains clear and articulate. Just keep in mind that it will require re-adjusting your EQ's if you've been using other speakers.
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That is great it's working out for you. I love it when a new something is just right!
 
What blows my mind is how guitar and amplifier mythology has become so engrained in the music culture.

For years, I used speakers (like Creambacks, but ive tried many, many others) that had poor sonic characteristics because they were highly lauded and widely accepted.

Like the frequency "spikes" in certain speakers....finding not enough adjustment in the EQ's, that kind of became the norm and any question in a forum about this was met with protective hostility.

So very interesting to me that once these British made Copperbacks went in, all the EQ's and presence controls came back to very neutral ranges.

It's as if these speakers doubled the efficiency and effectiveness of the amp's EQ's, yielding much greater control over each frequency in the sonic spectrum.

I also had to reduce my gain settings because these speakers impacted the gain structure.

Loudness...

@syscokid will attest at just how loud the Ivanberg Modded ORI50 is, but I had an opportunity to scientifically analyze it.

Friday night, we were checking our individual tones with a decibel meter. At a distance of 5-6 feet, with the Ivanberg's master volume at '3' (9am) the amp was pushing out 80db.

100db was exceeded before reaching noon and we were able to push it all the way to 121db with absolute clarity.

Years of dealing with less than adequate tone control vanished when high quality speakers were introduced.

Paying $462.00 for a pair of 12" speakers no longer seems like a lot when you consider how many issues those speakers corrected...
 
Robert Herndon said:
What blows my mind is how guitar and amplifier mythology has become so engrained in the music culture.


Years of dealing with less than adequate tone control vanished when high quality speakers were introduced.

Paying $462.00 for a pair of 12" speakers no longer seems like a lot when you consider how many issues those speakers corrected...
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I've always wished I could just take a week and sit and try out dozens of cabs and speakers. I've always loved V30s and recently feel in love with C90s (the two combined get right where I want to go), but always wonder what else is out there and what it would sound like, how much the cab changes the speaker voice and so forth. If I ever hit the lottery, I'm buying a studio with a giant room, piles of cabs and every guitar speaker ever made and going to town. :ROFLMAO:
 
Iron1 said:
I've always wished I could just take a week and sit and try out dozens of cabs and speakers. I've always loved V30s and recently feel in love with C90s (the two combined get right where I want to go), but always wonder what else is out there and what it would sound like, how much the cab changes the speaker voice and so forth. If I ever hit the lottery, I'm buying a studio with a giant room, piles of cabs and every guitar speaker ever made and going to town. :ROFLMAO:
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I kinda did try (read: waste money) everything from Creambacks, Vintage 30's, Greenbacks, Goldbacks, Cream, Blue and Ruby Celestion's, .Eminence, WGS, Jensen and quite a few borrowed speakers.

I used to rebt out Primo Rehearsal Studios in Riverside and do a bunch of A/B's at high volumes.

Nothing I have tried has the clarity and depth of the UK Made, 12 inch Celestion Copperback Neodymium 250 Watt loudspeaker.

Runner up would be the Italian Made Jensen Stealth 80 watt Neodymium.
 
Iron1 said:
I've always wished I could just take a week and sit and try out dozens of cabs and speakers. I've always loved V30s and recently feel in love with C90s (the two combined get right where I want to go), but always wonder what else is out there and what it would sound like, how much the cab changes the speaker voice and so forth. If I ever hit the lottery, I'm buying a studio with a giant room, piles of cabs and every guitar speaker ever made and going to town. :ROFLMAO:
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Let me ask....

What is it you are currently looking for in a speaker???

I've found little sonic difference in cabinet construction, except that closed back seems to have "punchier" bass response.

I've closed the back on my 2x12 mahogany finger-joint cabinet as an experiment, but felt the open back had a better sound overall.

The biggest difference with the 200 watt EVM-12L, the Eminence 200 watt EM12-N and the 250 watt Copperback is that they give a truer representation of your amp.

Celestion's lesser speakers are known for cone breakup, which is actually an undeserieable condition that became popular. Celestion's are also purpose-built to boost certain frequencies, again something that became popular.

My first pair of Celestion Creambacks lasted one, 4 hour show. I actually blew the voice coil away from the cone on both speakers. We sent them back to Celestion and they inspected them. Celestion told me over the phone that they were subjected to greater wattage than they were designed for.

I literally laughed out loud and told the tech that I killed their 75 watt G12's with a 40 watt DSL40C. He literally got quiet and stammered a bit when he collected his wits.

My tendency to use very high resonance and bass settings - and doing so night after night - will destroy most 'garden variety' speakers in very short order.

The Electro-Harmonix 12VR75 speaker - a $49 import - held up really well and it is one of the better performing speakers out there. It's much more durable than the China Made Celestions.

But, I'm not content to buy what ________ plays or endorses. I hate speaker cone breakup (distortion and lack of clarity is what I hear, although Celestion has ctually coined the phrase "classic Celestion growl" to describe this negative feature and make it marketable) and I want absolute clarity.

I wanted a speaker that could run at high volume/resonance without enhancing certain frequencies just because someone back in the 1960's used this poop (because they literally had nothing else) and it somehow became popular with the masses.

Think outside the box....
 
Robert Herndon said:
@Iron1 - for detuned metal, the WGS Reaper 55Hz 50 Watt is a great speaker. I have one that Vaughn Skow built for me personally and it's rock solid. It can handle all the volume and resonance you can throw at it.
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EV used to have some neo speakers....I sort of lost track.
but I have to agree it's much more worthwhile to spend the extra money and buy good professional speakers.
The world is full of cheap junky speakers which are not worth the money that they cost; nor do they sound worth a crap either.
 
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