Something I just read

What do you think? The writer here i think has made some good points. I like music, that makes me feel good, I find heavy metal is not for me, but to each their own.



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What do you think about heavy metal music?
In the hands of the unsaved world, heavy metal almost always embraces death and pain and suicide and drugs and anger (metal is very rarely “happy music”). Believers have to be careful not to get sucked into the culture of nihilism and antisocialism that metal usually promotes.

I think these are the words of someone who has never critically listened to Metal, and has a comprehensive misunderstanding of what the core messaging is. There is no "embrace" of death and pain, there is the pulling back the cape on what humanity really is, and that's what scares people who don't know what they are talking about and leads them to say things like this. It's an asinine statement in all frankness.
 
Death is part of life as much as you want to ignore it…. make music about “happiness” death is still there you just choose to ignore it.

Plenty drugs in pop/rap/ country and other styles of music.

It promotes to be self thinking and not to follow blindly….

Plenty suicide outside of rock and metal music. ( it’s unfortunate human condition)

Why dose it have to be “happy” to be good a music?????


This is what annoys me, it has to be happy and all lovey dovey :poo: to be considered good…


Metal isn’t for everyone, just stick to what you like and stop criticising something you dont like or understand.

More time I spend here I find less things I have in common with members here and I think its time to start thinking about exist strategy.
And our group would be less for not having you around.
 
My opinion of Heavy Metal is the same as all genres of music and entertainment in general: it's your own perception and mindset that will dictate the outcome.

If you have some deep seeded mental health issues, be it depression, anxiety, anger or bi-polar disorders; whatever you see and hear will ultimately only make you feel worse. You could hear a Country song about a jilted lover and find yourself further in your own misery or watch the evening news and exit from it feeling absolutely hopeless.

But by the same notion, if a person isn't suffering from any obvious mental health issues, I think they could find happiness, joy, exhilaration and peace in any form of music, especially Heavy Metal. Heavy Metal itself for the largest part, is not a depressing genre but rather a very socially conscious one, tackling themes of the world around us in a realistic view. There are some bands out there that DO preach just misery and depression through their material, never writing about something positive but that problem exist again in all genres.

How many Country artists made their careers singing about loneliness, alcoholism, rejection and even domestic violence? ( Miranda Lambert and Carrie Underwood, im looking at your directions too!) Rap was engulfed in the gangsta image with drugs, gun violence and objectification of women throughout the late 80s and 90s yet maintained daily rotation on MTV. Pop even played with highly disturbing concepts such as mass shootings, drug addiction, sexual assault from the attacker's perspective and it's on the radio.

I think Heavy Metal is an easy Boogeyman because of the imagery more than the subject material. No better example than Iron Maiden! You take a casual viewer who really knows nothing about the band and let them see an album cover and they will begin piecing together this often dark image of an evil band who sings only of death, destruction and chaos, like the most wicked things you can imagine. Like this for example

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Yet, listen to them and its completely not what you expect. Often the songs are about historical events, novels and films. The lyrics are basically narrations of said events, like an audiobook. They don't sing of depression, bleakness or demonic themes ( before you chime about Number of The Beast, its written about the film Damien: Omen II and a person trying to warn the public of the conspiracy and evil he witnesses, much like the characters in the film). When they do sing of war or destruction its from historical or literary perspectives. But if you judged a book by its cover, you'd write them off as just another evil band which they certainly cant lay claim too.

Again, everything is subjective to the viewer
 
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This is something that has been rehashed for the last 40 years.
Metal is "bad" has resurface over and over again.
It can sound angry, it can sound morose, but thats just it. All anyone ever hears is the tone/mood the music sets. It most often has nothing to do with the lyrics. Have there been extremes in lyrical writing, sure. That is true in any genre of music, and what is music ... its art. Art in any form is open to interpretation.
I like Metal, I have since I first listened to Sabbath.
I like the subgenre of metal - Thrash, when I first listened to Fight Fire with Fire.
Death Metal ... absolutely.
Music is what people make of it.
I never liked these discussions, it's usually one persons small view without understanding.
 
My opinion of Heavy Metal is the same as all genres of music and entertainment in general: it's your own perception and mindset that will dictate the outcome.

If you have some deep seeded mental health issues, be it depression, anxiety, anger or bi-polar disorders; whatever you see and hear will ultimately only make you feel worse. You could hear a Country song about a jilted lover and find yourself further in your own misery or watch the evening news and exit from it feeling absolutely hopeless.

But by the same notion, if a person isn't suffering from any obvious mental health issues, I think they could find happiness, joy, exhilaration and peace in any form of music, especially Heavy Metal. Heavy Metal itself for the largest part, is not a depressing genre but rather a very socially conscious one, tackling themes of the world around is in a realistic view. There are some bands out there that DO preach just misery and depression through their material, never writing about something positive but that problem exist again in all genres.

How many Country artists made their careers singing about loneliness, alcoholism, rejection and even domestic violence? ( Miranda Lambert and Carrie Underwood, im looking at your directions too!) Rap was engulfed in the gangsta image with drugs, gun violence and objectification of women throughout the late 80s and 90s yet maintained daily rotation on MTV. Pop even played with highly disturbing concepts such as mass shootings, drug addiction, sexual assault from the attacker's perspective and it's on the radio.

I think Heavy Metal is an easy Boogie Man because of the imagery more than the subject material. No better example than Iron Maiden! You take a casual viewer who really knows nothing about the band and let them see an album cover and they will begin piecing together this often dark image of an evil band who sings only of death, destruction and chaos, like the most wicked things you can imagine. Like this for example

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Yet, listen to them and its completely not what you expect. Often the songs are about historical events, novels and films. The lyrics basically narrations of said events, like an audiobook. They don't sing of depression, bleakness or demonic themes ( before you chime about Number of The Beast, its written about the film Damien: Omen II and a person trying to warn the public of the conspiracy and evil he witnesses, much like the characters in the film). When they do sing of war or destruction its from historical or literary perspectives. But if you judged a book by its cover, you'd write them off as just another evil band which they certainly cant lay claim too.

Again, everything is subjective to the viewer

Good point Mike. Think about the early days of Black Sabbath, they were branded as satanists at the same time that they released an album that could be filed under 'Worship Music' if you went by the lyrics alone (Master of Reality).
 
Good point Mike. Think about the early days of Black Sabbath, they were branded as satanists at the same time that they released an album that could be filed under 'Worship Music' if you went by the lyrics alone (Master of Reality).
Hell even Led Zeppelin was considered an occult band by some because of their use of symbols and the tarrot card the hermit in Led Zeppelin 4, and page buying Aleister Crowleys house .
 
Good point Mike. Think about the early days of Black Sabbath, they were branded as satanists at the same time that they released an album that could be filed under 'Worship Music' if you went by the lyrics alone (Master of Reality).
Absolutely! And that's a great album example as well, namely the song "After Forever" : quite possibly one of the most PRO Faith songs. They were catching flak left and right about Satanic accusations at this time and yet there they were onstage, all wearing handmade silver crosses ( made by Ozzy's dad while working at the local foundry and gifted to each member while writing the first album) and singing lyrics such as:

"When you think about death do you lose your breath or do you keep your cool?
Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope do you think he's a fool?
Well I have seen the truth, yes I've seen the light and I've changed my ways
And I'll be prepared when you're lonely and scared at the end of our days"

But, John Q Public saw the name Black Sabbath, heard a tritone ( aka the Latin "Diabolous In Musica") opening the self-titled song and seen 4 long haired hippies. Their minds were made up on them after just 5 seconds. Its unfortunate and all too common
 
Hell even Led Zeppelin was considered an occult band by some because of their use of symbols and the tarrot card the hermit in Led Zeppelin 4, and page buying Aleister Crowleys house .
Yep! Writing songs about J.R.R Tolkien as well even caught them negative attention like in Ramble On. Because at that time, people thought it was referencing evil with the lines of " Twas in the Darkest Depths of Modor, I met a woman so fair. But Gollum and the Evil One, crept up and slipped away with her".

And then there are the accusations that The Eagles caught over Hotel California
 
Yep! Writing songs about J.R.R Tolkien as well even caught them negative attention like in Ramble On. Because at that time, people thought it was referencing evil with the lines of " Twas in the Darkest Depths of Modor, I met a woman so fair. But Gollum and the Evil One, crept up and slipped away with her".

And then there are the accusations that The Eagles caught over Hotel California
At the end of Led Zepplin LP 3 (pressed into the record groove) there is an inscription:
"Do What Thou Wilt."
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