Marshall DSL40CR vs JOYO Bantamps

Which Amp do you like better

  • Marshall DSL40CR set at 20w red channel

  • JOYO BanTamP 20w ZoMBie (Rectifier clone)

  • JOYO BanTamP 20w VIVO (5150 clone)

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eSGEe said:
yep................ but if you cant do that ----due to :

1. not playing LARGE venues
2. not gigging
3. have dogs...cats....birds... (and a personal hearing issue medically that makes VERY LOUD MUSIC stupid painful and makes me want to murder people in horrid and painful ways )
4. MOST venue owners are going SILENT and in ear monitors and all to "house"
I mean this guy says it well....and he HAS A NEW DUAL REC (and hey @Session 5 he is CANADIAN EH!!!) lol


but yes TBTH -- the MESA sounds AWESOME ....... but its just not practical for MOST people
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In some ways you can do it.
The ultimate would be the fluxtone speakers...
but there is some speaker attenuators that are getting pretty good too.

It "is" a 40 watt with 1 speaker. That in itself is helpful to keep the loudness under control.
 
froman5150 said:
I don't know , i've always wanted a gnarly big blocked early 70's pinto turd brown in color though , the ultimate in rolling death traps.
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We had a 1973 Turd Brown Pinto 4 cyl when i was 3. I remember it vividly despite the age because we were driving thru town one day and people were honking their horns and waving manically at us. Dad thought they were just being friendly and waved back. Then right as we got to C&O Cleaners, WHOOSH!! Flames erupted over the hood of the car. Dad parked it, we bailed out and i remember screaming for my blanket that was still inside. Fire Department showed up super quick and one of them actually reached inside and grabbed it for me.

A fuel line had broke at the carburetor and sprayed gas all over the engine and the people honking and waving seconds before were trying to get our attention because the flames were coming out of the front fenders like in a cool action movie lol. The car actually survived by the fire department spraying it down, but the electrical lines and hoses were cooked. Dad had it towed to my grandpas and over a week or so, they got it back up and running. Paint was kinda jacked up on the hood.

We were broke trash man lol
 
Jethro Rocker said:
Yep i get it. Just you were quoting $2500 in a couple places and to be fair the DSL40 is like 1000.
For a grand it is a really good and popular amp. But not for everyone!!
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mesa dual rec is 2500.00 was where I got that pricing

which the joyo zombie is modeled.
 
Amp Mad Scientist said:
Are you using any type of effects pedal / distortion / boost pedal?
Or are you plugging guitar straight into the amp, no pedals?

Recording on a looper is not the same as the straight in guitar, and I don't think that's a very good test.

If I was comparing 3 amps, guitar straight in no pedals.
Guitar . amp . cabinet . microphone . recorder.
I would not use line out of the amp either. Always mic the cab if I want the better sounding result.

But I am not hearing what I would expect a guitar and a Marshall to sound like.
The looper does not cut it.

The guitar must be into the amp for a good test, so try again.
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The signal chain is right in the post you quoted. Me, guitar, looper, front of amp, mic, interface.
But if you want a do over with me playing all three. I will do it.
Matter of fact. Let’s make it interesting.
How about as somebody suggested. A blind test.

But to answer you. Other than the looper. There weren’t any other effects. Zero. Ziltch. Nada.
Should I consider any other parameters?
Possibly a different guitar? Just to see if the active pickups of the LTD affected the sound.
Here is what I currently have.
Gibson SG 61 (burstbuckers) D standard tuning.
Jackson HSS DK2 (SD JB) E standard tuning.
Fender HH Stagemaster (SD Pearly Gates+) E standard tuning.
Dean HH V Select (SD SH-5 custom) C# standard tuning.
And you already know the LTD in D#

What’s your poison?
 
Amp Mad Scientist said:
What you are missing is tube power amp distortion.
That is where the real Marshall sound appears.
You need to crank up the DSL and overdrive the power tubes.

Of course it's a lot louder....

But tube power amp distortion is what the solid state amp will never duplicate.
And that's where the tube amp starts to sound good.
With the loudness all dumbed down, you are losing a lot of the actual glorious sound.
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Unfortunately I think my apartment complex will not allow that kind of output.
I did it once and I got a notice from building management.
But you are right.
It sounded glorious!!!!
 
LiveeviL2000 said:
The signal chain is right in the post you quoted. Me, guitar, looper, front of amp, mic, interface.
But if you want a do over with me playing all three. I will do it.
Matter of fact. Let’s make it interesting.
How about as somebody suggested. A blind test.

But to answer you. Other than the looper. There weren’t any other effects. Zero. Ziltch. Nada.
Should I consider any other parameters?
Possibly a different guitar? Just to see if the active pickups of the LTD affected the sound.
Here is what I currently have.
Gibson SG 61 (burstbuckers) D standard tuning.
Jackson HSS DK2 (SD JB) E standard tuning.
Fender HH Stagemaster (SD Pearly Gates+) E standard tuning.
Dean HH V Select (SD SH-5 custom) C# standard tuning.
And you already know the LTD in D#

What’s your poison?
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Plug the guitar straight into the amp.
Crank the DSL master until the power tubes overdrive.
then you hear why the tube amp is better.

Marshall amps do not sound good when all turned down.
They need to be wide open. That's when you hear the true Marshall sound.

Gain on at least 7, Now turn up the master until you hear the power amp grind.
When you hear that you will know.
 
Amp Mad Scientist said:
Crank the DSL master until the power tubes overdrive.
then you hear why the tube amp is better.
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and there is the problem -- THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE CAN NOT DO THAT ---

so... they buy this
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or this
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or any manner of millions (literally) of other options that allow HAPPINESS at NON "building management" or badge wearing jack booted thugs being involved
 
eSGEe said:
and there is the problem -- THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE CAN NOT DO THAT ---

so... they buy this
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or this'
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or this
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or any manner of millions (literally) of other options that allow HAPPINESS at NON "building management" or badge wearing jack booted thugs being involved
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Yeah, but once in a while I do blast that puppy.
Remember when everyone would make noise outside for frontline workers.
… I faced that DSL out the window and prayed I didn’t shatter the glass!
Glory everyday at 7pm for about 10minutes.
 
yes -- agreed ... and maybe 3 out of 365 days a year I can crank mine ........ but is that TRULY worth it?

also a "good" attenuator .... costs WAAAAAAY MORE than the joyo ...

its just silly lets spend 2500 on a mesa --- and 1400.00 on an attenuator (so we can CRANK the mesa and watch the TUBES GLOW :rolleyes2:) -- -instead of just getting a JOYO for 150 smackers that sounds DAMN NEAR as good (actually IMHO for $ invested 1000 times BETTEr) and move on with life eh ? Eh? --
silly

the videos above show the joyo is EVERY BIT as good in a DIGTAL recording world --at home-- or even in a venue running to house....maybe better
 
well. The whole point of this thread to begin with was just to hear what these little suckers sound like.
I know if I put each of them through the paces against the Marshall they will fail.

I didn’t get them because they are better. I got them because they are super small and portable and for the price of a Marshall I could virtually buy the entire set of 7amps.
Matter of fact I am so impressed at what I get for the money, I have been looking into their pedals.
In particular their modulation, and OD.
As I said in another thread. These amps are going to mainly be parked at my son’s place. I have the EVH cab there and I will keep the entire rig there next to his drum kit. No more lugging all my crap there. Just a guitar … done. At least there I can somewhat crank it up a bit.
 
eSGEe said:
mesa dual rec is 2500.00 was where I got that pricing

which the joyo zombie is modeled.
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Oh I see. Right. Since it compared to a Marshall I was looking at that.
Again, feature wise and not having compared to a dual rec hard to say but very impressive little amps. Makes me kinda want one...
 
wait ......................................did we get off topic ..............................
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eSGEe said:
yes -- agreed ... and maybe 3 out of 365 days a year I can crank mine ........ but is that TRULY worth it?

also a "good" attenuator .... costs WAAAAAAY MORE than the joyo ...

its just silly lets spend 2500 on a mesa --- and 1400.00 on an attenuator (so we can CRANK the mesa and watch the TUBES GLOW :rolleyes2:) -- -instead of just getting a JOYO for 150 smackers that sounds DAMN NEAR as good (actually IMHO for $ invested 1000 times BETTEr) and move on with life eh ? Eh? --
silly

the videos above show the joyo is EVERY BIT as good in a DIGTAL recording world --at home-- or even in a venue running to house....maybe better
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In defense of some less costly attenuators, the THD hot plate works well and is about $265-$400 used and the Marshall Power Brakes are killer, though they tend to go around $300-$450 used. @steveb63 was kind enough to cut me a MUCH better deal on one.
 
When I think about it, I do have a Mooer micro mini preamp, 2 channel with full controls and a memeory for each channel. Combined with the Mooer Mini Bomb 30 watt amp, tiny balls out loud little setup. About 120 Cdn for each unit.


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