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Iron1 said:
Just more proof that a lot of younger "metalheads" don't get it. From their generation's "stars" who are just bedroom players seeking YT hits, to this sort of nonsense. SMH. Metal/Rock and Roll is supposed to look/feel/sound larger than life & louder than hell and a wall of Marshall cabinets does just that.

Could you imagine what a kid like this would do if they actually stood in front of 20+ Marshall 412s all pushed by Marshall JCM800's running at 9 on the volume? Or, Peavey 6505+'s? They'd be too busy looking for a safe space to clean the contents of their recently emptied bowels from their underwear to bother writing about it.

People like this make Lemmy roll in his grave.

Get off my lawn kid! #EndOldMetalheadRant
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Hahah comment of the year!
 
smitty_p said:
For me, the most important thing is that we don’t show disdain for one another’s tastes and regard our own preferences as inherently, objectively, superior to someone else’s. For, these really are very subjective preferences.

Those who prefer tube amps should not be made to feel like “dinosaurs” (which is actually one of the dumbest comparisons that can be made!) for continuing to use or prefer them. Likewise, those who prefer tube amps should not view those who choose SS amps or modeling pejoratively, as if those people can’t recognize good tone. Those who prefer modeling or profiling should not fancy themselves “enlightened” above adherents to physical amplifiers.

I think there is room for all such equipment choices under this big tent called, “music.” I’m totally fine with people having very strong opinions about what they like; I bristle when such preferences spill over and begin to impugn other peoples’ preferences for themselves.

I’ve chronicled before how I’ve used all types: processors, SS amps, and tube amps. There are things I like and dislike about all three in various settings and situations.
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True, true....

I can totally understand how these kind of decisions are quite likely made at the management/label level and they likely reflect a cost-cutting behavior.

In 2007, I turned down a full time touring guitarist job, with a major country artist, because my contract read: "Applicant will agree to play only Fender guitars and amplifiers. Applicant shall not be photographed with, neither shall Applicant post photos to social media holding, posing with and/or playing guitars and amps not produced by Fender."

Fenders are good instruments. I just took issue with being told what I could and could not play.

Now, for me personally....

If I was to be blessed with one of my songs "taking off" and it came down to actually touring, I'm probably likely to finance and design my own setup and not just allow the record label to decide how my rig would look.

I can tell you from experience that I've played live (outdoors) through (6) 100 watt 2204 full stacks, via a JD-7 Injector. The amps and cabs were rented and I was filling in on guitar - last minute - at the request of a musical colleague.

Now, you might think that this kind of setup would be uncontrollable. No. It wasn't. But, also keep in mind that none of these amps are running anywhere near even 1/2 volume and only one cabinet on each side of the stage was mic'd and put through the PA.

During soundcheck, we set all instruments to the dB of the kick drum. The sound person took it from there and mixed everything.

During the performance, I had a floor monitor that had a mixed signal and I wasn't "blasted off the face of the earth" by (6) barely-idling 2204's.

Let me suffice to say that on their own, the (6) 2204's really had just a clean tone. They were not loud enough to get any real saturation, but I was playing through the absent guitarist's rack mount FX cabinet, so the signal was altered significantly.

My clean and overdriven tones, my delay and all other necessary FX's were switched on and off for me during the performance by a stage manager. All I had to do was play.

TBTH, when you look at Yngwie's stadium setup, I'm taken aback at how one could sonically manage that rig. His setup consists of 55 custom made Marshall heads and (18) 4x12 cabinets.

At his August 2, 2018 performance in Houston, I counted (26) amp heads and (15) cabinets. Now, what I found interesting about this smaller event, was that the heads were a mix of different Marshall models. This was unusual.

Additionally, I saw only a small portion of the heads lit up, and red cables could be seen entering/exiting only a few of the amps on stage left, so I'm guessing that only a small portion of those amps were running and "in play" so to speak???

I'll see if I can find some video of that performance.
 
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Found this video of a September, 21, 2018 performance in Spain and again, it appears that only a few amps (stage left) are illuminated. The mix of head types is not as varied here as it was in Houston...

 
smitty_p said:
For me, the most important thing is that we don’t show disdain for one another’s tastes and regard our own preferences as inherently, objectively, superior to someone else’s. For, these really are very subjective preferences.

Those who prefer tube amps should not be made to feel like “dinosaurs” (which is actually one of the dumbest comparisons that can be made!) for continuing to use or prefer them. Likewise, those who prefer tube amps should not view those who choose SS amps or modeling pejoratively, as if those people can’t recognize good tone. Those who prefer modeling or profiling should not fancy themselves “enlightened” above adherents to physical amplifiers.

I think there is room for all such equipment choices under this big tent called, “music.” I’m totally fine with people having very strong opinions about what they like; I bristle when such preferences spill over and begin to impugn other peoples’ preferences for themselves.

I’ve chronicled before how I’ve used all types: processors, SS amps, and tube amps. There are things I like and dislike about all three in various settings and situations.
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All right.... Who let the F'n grownup into this room?













... :cheers:
 
Robert Herndon said:
Here's a video of that performance that I found. You absolutely could not hear the vocalist at this performance, although that did get corrected later on as the night progressed...

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Dude, I've seen the guy twice. He was so f'ing loud the rest of the band didn't even need to be there - his stage volume was just absurd and deafening even before anything got fed to FOH. He's also a clown of the highest order when he's performing, like he wants everone to worship him or something. I can only take his weedly-weedly playing style in small doses to begin with, but throw in the jerkoff attitude and he becomes a no-fly zone for me. I'm actually surprised I ever went to see him a second time but a buddy had tickets and it was free for me.
 
gball said:
Dude, I've seen the guy twice. He was so f'ing loud the rest of the band didn't even need to be there - his stage volume was just absurd and deafening even before anything got fed to FOH. He's also a clown of the highest order when he's performing, like he wants everone to worship him or something. I can only take his weedly-weedly playing style in small doses to begin with, but throw in the jerkoff attitude and he becomes a no-fly zone for me. I'm actually surprised I ever went to see him a second time but a buddy had tickets and it was free for me.
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Interesting!!!!

Note that only SOME of those amps are switched on!!!!!!
 
Robert Herndon said:
Interesting!!!!

Note that only SOME of those amps are switched on!!!!!!
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Yeah, he's probably mellowing in his old age, haha. It was like the mid '90s the last time I saw him and I am as certain as I can be that all of them were on and more or less dimed. It was so ridiculously loud we actually moved to a different spot in the room so we wouldn't leave there with tinnitus.
 
Loudest concert I was ever at was the Beach Boys. It was in BC Place stadium. The stage was in the centre of the field. I don’t remember seeing any amps on stage. They had six towers of speakers spread around the outside of the field pointing up into the seats. I was in row twenty with one of the towers pointed directly at me. When the Beach Boys hit their high vocal harmonies it felt like someone stuck a pin in my ear. I quickly made my way up to the concourse. Listened from there for a while then went home. It was unbelievably loud. Even in the concourse I was afraid of hearing loss.
 
Kerry Brown said:
Loudest concert I was ever at was the Beach Boys. It was in BC Place stadium. The stage was in the centre of the field. I don’t remember seeing any amps on stage. They had six towers of speakers spread around the outside of the field pointing up into the seats. I was in row twenty with one of the towers pointed directly at me. When the Beach Boys hit their high vocal harmonies it felt like someone stuck a pin in my ear. I quickly made my way up to the concourse. Listened from there for a while then went home. It was unbelievably loud. Even in the concourse I was afraid of hearing loss.
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That's crazy. That's not fun.

Ironically, Yngwie wasn't the loundest concert I ever saw, he just had by far the loudest guitar.
The loudest concert I ever saw, and I mean by a mile, was the Plasmatics. That was physically painful it was so loud (which I think was their intention).
After that Motorhead was the loudest, which is something they were kind of known for so you knew going in.

I really don't like it too loud.
 
gball said:
That's crazy. That's not fun.

Ironically, Yngwie wasn't the loundest concert I ever saw, he just had by far the loudest guitar.
The loudest concert I ever saw, and I mean by a mile, was the Plasmatics. That was physically painful it was so loud (which I think was their intention).
After that Motorhead was the loudest, which is something they were kind of known for so you knew going in.

I really don't like it too loud.
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I'll second Motörhead for loudness live...
 
I think the loudest I've ever experienced was John Force taking off from the start line when we were sitting about 25' away straight in line with his header tubes. Literally shook my skeleton. A few races prior to that I was at the 1000' line and Kenny Hill went by and the sound of his exhaust shook all the beer out of my cup. And, worst of all, a jet dragster - truly defined ear piercing pain.

Bandwise? Slayer and Newsboys...
 
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