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Sp8ctre
Ambassador of Steel
Yes, but have over 15,000 already profiled...
eSGEe
Ferengi Ambassador of Trade
or a marketing ploy to jack the prices......... whos is to confirm if a plant ahs shut down and moved in CHina? and whos not? ---- funny the guy who MAKES/SELLS TUBE AMPS .... is "stirring the pot" and pushing GRAB EM NOW before they are gone!!!! (yes he also makes SS stuff too--- ) double the profit
Session 5
Ambassador of Strings & Wings
Oh he makes SS too, I better grab one more SS amp , then I will be good for my lifetime, Oh wait a minute I have 4 SS amps already, I'm good..
gball
Ambassador of Boogie
While I am a tube purist I am not a tube absolutist. I would like nothing more than an amp builder to come out with a solid state amp that sounds as good as a premium tube amp. I would, quite literally, buy it immediately as I don't like having to use an amp that has consumables any more than I like putting gas in my car.
It will certainly happen some day.
But...as of the state-of-the-art at this moment in time, nothing is even close. Not digital modeling, not digital profiling, not solid state analog, not sims, plugins, emulators, nothing comes close to a real tube amp for tone, feel, dynamics or any other of the intangible elements of the tone equation we chase as guitar players.
So I will pay whatever I have to in order to feed my amps tubes until somebody catches up to their "obsolete" technology using transistor and microchips.
It will certainly happen some day.
But...as of the state-of-the-art at this moment in time, nothing is even close. Not digital modeling, not digital profiling, not solid state analog, not sims, plugins, emulators, nothing comes close to a real tube amp for tone, feel, dynamics or any other of the intangible elements of the tone equation we chase as guitar players.
So I will pay whatever I have to in order to feed my amps tubes until somebody catches up to their "obsolete" technology using transistor and microchips.
dmatthews
Ambassador of Birds
I've gone around the block a couple of times with this. Still have 3 tube amps that rock (HRDX, Custom 50, and H), but I'd love to come over to your house with my Kemper and Kabinet, FRFR, and studio monitors. We'd have a fun day.
Perhaps it's cyclical... not sure.
eSGEe
Ferengi Ambassador of Trade
ya'll have been void of a good rant for a bit -- and I was bored--- fix a drink and read on..............
THis never had tubes.....never emulated tubes........ made its own mark in the world ......... what a concept (there are others but Im tired)
Did you ever think perhaps the reason everything emulates tubes is because "some" people COULDNT LET IT GO and just get along with SS ???
I have processors (digital) and Mosfett amps and SS transtube amps and Oranges ....wtf ever they call it --CRUSH -- emulation-- all these options at my fingertips---- as well as (at present 2) tube amps-- and frankly they all sounds SLIGHTLY different -- they all sound good and
SPOILER ALERT -- all of the above WILL DO TUBE BREAK UP (sorry they will and all have more than enough HEAD room for home use)
all the above WILL "clean up" when you roll the volume off and get DIRTY when you crank it
AND all the above HAVE A "FEEL" -- is it IDENTICAL to a tube feel -- nope --- is it inferior --- nope-- is it SUPERIOR -- nope
Id think the manufacturers would SERIOUSLY PREFER making solid state --- cheaper lighter faster -- simpler -- FATTER PROFIT less returns and warranty work amps
But the "it has to be 100 watts of glowing tube power or its crap mafia" ---- just cant let it go .........................(if you think Im lying WATCH THE POSTS AFTER THIS ONE FOR THE CLING-ONS )
And at the end of the day the amp MAKERS are after all FOR PROFIT CORPORATIONS -----
so IF THE PUBLIC will pay STUPIDLY HUGELY MORE $ for tube amps ----- or UPSELL $ for anything with TUBE ISH VIBE -- well THEY ARE GOING FOR THE PROFIT -- and marketing it AS TUBE -- nutube -- transtube-- tubeibubbie -- blah blah blah
I mena Friedman and Bogner most recently jumped in -- do you think they put out cute little 30 watt SS amps becasue there is NO MARKET FOR THEM ????? --- yeah uhm ...no-- they arent SELLING as many HUGE PRICED TUBE AMPS and need to KEEP THE DOORS OPEN .....(check.... please.....reality check, yep there it is)
LEo Fender was an INOVATOR/Inventor
Lester Polsfuss was an INOVATOR/Inventor
Does anyone here think for one second they would not be EMBRACING the options the flexibility the myriad of TONES and sounds and function layers WHOLE MULTI TRACK RECORDING SOFTWARE in a PEDAL!?!?!??! that this DIGITAL age allows ??????
Remember the Paulverizer (really an early looper?) ?? Les was a member of the INVENTORS HALL OF FAME and held 2 patents
www.les-paul.com
Leo Fender held 75 (seventy freaking five) patents !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
www.encyclopedia.com
Seriously do you think these men would still be dabbling in TUBES???? ........ That decades old tech with the WORLD of sounds available now? Were they dabbling in player pianos -- crank phonographs and vinyl in their day ??? (the answer is no if your to young to know WTF Im on about) that was the PRIOR "tech" of their day--- they --- went --- AHEAD not BACKWARDS ---
Les played a solid state amp for many years until his last show at the Iridium..... @SG John -- you saw/heard/met him there .... DID YOU notice he sucked because he had a NON TUBE AMP? Did anyone in the audience? Was he booed or shunned? --no
Tube bias (and not the kind used to "set up" your tube amp @Amp Mad Scientist ) has frankly HELD BACK THE ADVANCES IN MODERN AMPLIFICATION by decades (no offense but its true) -- its a niche....its a nuance -- its a "taste" its a tonal flavor --but it is only 1 option in a sea of options we have never had before
Frankly if the Chinese tube making plant -- and the global lot-- shut down tomorrow--- my life would change ........ uhm..... none
Do I need a tube to type this online (?)
do I need a tube to drive my truck?
sell to my clients?
make a living?
Buy food?
protect national security?
play my Seagull acoustic?
play any and all of my electrics?
nope ...................................................
Its a tiny glowing thing that makes some noise .... and is worshipped by some -- but certainly not all and certainly not the majority.
Show a non musician a tube ....... most think its a "vintage antique light bulb, er something" (you laugh -- Ive done it)
Which loops back around to my ground floor point which is the DRUNKEN BAR RABBLE AND PARTY GOERS DO NOT CARE HOW THE HELL YOU MAKE THE MUSIC -- as long as its good they recognize the tune it makes them happy and want to dance -- and hopefully get laid...... that IS ALL THAT MATTERS --- not what "system" your amplification uses to be heard, what "pots" you use... .what strign gauge.....etc etc -- that is all the SILLY MINUTIA we all pander over but to the "public" at large they cant tell a Fender from a grote nor do they want to ...
Its happening --- more and more LIVE bands run pedals and sans amps and kempers to front of house --- one day a musician will show up with a fender bassman for a "gig" and the sound guy will shake his head, smirk and tell him to just leave.......we cant use that thing here.......
whew... o.k. I need a lie down now
THis never had tubes.....never emulated tubes........ made its own mark in the world ......... what a concept (there are others but Im tired)
Did you ever think perhaps the reason everything emulates tubes is because "some" people COULDNT LET IT GO and just get along with SS ???
I have processors (digital) and Mosfett amps and SS transtube amps and Oranges ....wtf ever they call it --CRUSH -- emulation-- all these options at my fingertips---- as well as (at present 2) tube amps-- and frankly they all sounds SLIGHTLY different -- they all sound good and
SPOILER ALERT -- all of the above WILL DO TUBE BREAK UP (sorry they will and all have more than enough HEAD room for home use)
all the above WILL "clean up" when you roll the volume off and get DIRTY when you crank it
AND all the above HAVE A "FEEL" -- is it IDENTICAL to a tube feel -- nope --- is it inferior --- nope-- is it SUPERIOR -- nope
Id think the manufacturers would SERIOUSLY PREFER making solid state --- cheaper lighter faster -- simpler -- FATTER PROFIT less returns and warranty work amps
But the "it has to be 100 watts of glowing tube power or its crap mafia" ---- just cant let it go .........................(if you think Im lying WATCH THE POSTS AFTER THIS ONE FOR THE CLING-ONS )
And at the end of the day the amp MAKERS are after all FOR PROFIT CORPORATIONS -----
so IF THE PUBLIC will pay STUPIDLY HUGELY MORE $ for tube amps ----- or UPSELL $ for anything with TUBE ISH VIBE -- well THEY ARE GOING FOR THE PROFIT -- and marketing it AS TUBE -- nutube -- transtube-- tubeibubbie -- blah blah blah
I mena Friedman and Bogner most recently jumped in -- do you think they put out cute little 30 watt SS amps becasue there is NO MARKET FOR THEM ????? --- yeah uhm ...no-- they arent SELLING as many HUGE PRICED TUBE AMPS and need to KEEP THE DOORS OPEN .....(check.... please.....reality check, yep there it is)
LEo Fender was an INOVATOR/Inventor
Lester Polsfuss was an INOVATOR/Inventor
Does anyone here think for one second they would not be EMBRACING the options the flexibility the myriad of TONES and sounds and function layers WHOLE MULTI TRACK RECORDING SOFTWARE in a PEDAL!?!?!??! that this DIGITAL age allows ??????
Remember the Paulverizer (really an early looper?) ?? Les was a member of the INVENTORS HALL OF FAME and held 2 patents
The Inventor - Les Paul
www.les-paul.com
Leo Fender held 75 (seventy freaking five) patents !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fender, Leo | Encyclopedia.com
Leo Fender Inventor Birth of the Strat Manufacturing Genius Perfected Tone Spectrum Sources Source for information on Fender, Leo: Contemporary Musicians dictionary.
Seriously do you think these men would still be dabbling in TUBES???? ........ That decades old tech with the WORLD of sounds available now? Were they dabbling in player pianos -- crank phonographs and vinyl in their day ??? (the answer is no if your to young to know WTF Im on about) that was the PRIOR "tech" of their day--- they --- went --- AHEAD not BACKWARDS ---
Les played a solid state amp for many years until his last show at the Iridium..... @SG John -- you saw/heard/met him there .... DID YOU notice he sucked because he had a NON TUBE AMP? Did anyone in the audience? Was he booed or shunned? --no
Tube bias (and not the kind used to "set up" your tube amp @Amp Mad Scientist ) has frankly HELD BACK THE ADVANCES IN MODERN AMPLIFICATION by decades (no offense but its true) -- its a niche....its a nuance -- its a "taste" its a tonal flavor --but it is only 1 option in a sea of options we have never had before
Frankly if the Chinese tube making plant -- and the global lot-- shut down tomorrow--- my life would change ........ uhm..... none
Do I need a tube to type this online (?)
do I need a tube to drive my truck?
sell to my clients?
make a living?
Buy food?
protect national security?
play my Seagull acoustic?
play any and all of my electrics?
nope ...................................................
Its a tiny glowing thing that makes some noise .... and is worshipped by some -- but certainly not all and certainly not the majority.
Show a non musician a tube ....... most think its a "vintage antique light bulb, er something" (you laugh -- Ive done it)
Which loops back around to my ground floor point which is the DRUNKEN BAR RABBLE AND PARTY GOERS DO NOT CARE HOW THE HELL YOU MAKE THE MUSIC -- as long as its good they recognize the tune it makes them happy and want to dance -- and hopefully get laid...... that IS ALL THAT MATTERS --- not what "system" your amplification uses to be heard, what "pots" you use... .what strign gauge.....etc etc -- that is all the SILLY MINUTIA we all pander over but to the "public" at large they cant tell a Fender from a grote nor do they want to ...
Its happening --- more and more LIVE bands run pedals and sans amps and kempers to front of house --- one day a musician will show up with a fender bassman for a "gig" and the sound guy will shake his head, smirk and tell him to just leave.......we cant use that thing here.......
whew... o.k. I need a lie down now
I have tubes out the rear end.....
Either way....
I play tubes live. I record with amp simulation. I can do it either way.
I play tubes live. I record with amp simulation. I can do it either way.
dmatthews
Ambassador of Birds
Either way? TMI !!!
RVA
Ambassador
Neither scotch or bourbon carry a lethal dose of electricity and you can drink them even if grounded (although the point is to get ungrounded)
Amp Mad Scientist
Ambassador of Heresy
Oh yeah I'm still improving upon tube amps....
I think the profiler / modeler / sampler is fun to play with.
But I still like my own playing / sound to come from the speaker. Electronic substitute is a novelty; it's not me playing anymore.
I still think that tubes sound better.
I'm not concerned with miniaturized efficiency, I still think tubes will prevail in the long run.
As long as the demand is there, somebody's going to fill it.
You know what this reminds me of?
Fountain pens.
Let me ‘splain…
Nestled within my guitar enthusiasm is an interest in fountain pens. I’ve used them for about thirty years. Well, there is a certain mechanism on some refillable vintage fountain pens which uses a lever on the outside of the pen to compress a rubber sac inside the pen. If the nib of the pen is dipped into a bottle of ink and the sac is compressed, when the lever is released, ink will be drawn into the sac as the sac expands.
What does this have to do with tubes?
Well, for many years it was very difficult for pen enthusiasts to source replacement sacs. Those who had lever-fill pens usually just had them for collectibles, but didn’t actually use them. However, many years ago, seeing the market within a niche community, certain entrepreneurial types began making sacs for vintage fountain pens.
The point?
The guitar-playing, tube amp-using community is WAY bigger than the fountain pen community. Guitar players represent a significant, recurring market and source of income. A factory in China ceasing production is not going to end the supply of valves for the world. Someone with sufficient resources will see the dollar signs and the market potential and make tubes. Sure, they may be harder to get, and they may be pricey, but I have very little fear that they are completely going away.
Fountain pens.
Let me ‘splain…
Nestled within my guitar enthusiasm is an interest in fountain pens. I’ve used them for about thirty years. Well, there is a certain mechanism on some refillable vintage fountain pens which uses a lever on the outside of the pen to compress a rubber sac inside the pen. If the nib of the pen is dipped into a bottle of ink and the sac is compressed, when the lever is released, ink will be drawn into the sac as the sac expands.
What does this have to do with tubes?
Well, for many years it was very difficult for pen enthusiasts to source replacement sacs. Those who had lever-fill pens usually just had them for collectibles, but didn’t actually use them. However, many years ago, seeing the market within a niche community, certain entrepreneurial types began making sacs for vintage fountain pens.
The point?
The guitar-playing, tube amp-using community is WAY bigger than the fountain pen community. Guitar players represent a significant, recurring market and source of income. A factory in China ceasing production is not going to end the supply of valves for the world. Someone with sufficient resources will see the dollar signs and the market potential and make tubes. Sure, they may be harder to get, and they may be pricey, but I have very little fear that they are completely going away.
Astral Traveler
Ambassador of Both Time and Space
I'm happy with my Quilter. No one would be able to tell if there are tubes in it or not if they heard me play it.
eSGEe
Ferengi Ambassador of Trade
He is Bi-AudialEither way? TMI !!!