fake acoustics

I absolutely adore my 68 and 73 Kustom amps! I don’t know, or care, why….I just really enjoy the vibe…not just the look, but the sound. Especially for my bass rig. I’ve tried a few alternatives….modern SS, tube guitar amps with neutral eq….I always come back to that 68 K200A.(the 73 K250-2 is no slouch either)
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They are very cool amps, both in sound and of course: the famous Tuck N Roll look. Had a buddy growing up and his dad was a bassist and a MASSIVE CCR fanatic. He had an Ampeg SVT with an 8x10 cab he largely used but eventually scored a Kustom K200 and it sounded wonderful. Dont rightly remember the year exactly but it was earlier 70s, which about everything he had was of that era.
 
They are very cool amps, both in sound and of course: the famous Tuck N Roll look. Had a buddy growing up and his dad was a bassist and a MASSIVE CCR fanatic. He had an Ampeg SVT with an 8x10 cab he largely used but eventually scored a Kustom K200 and it sounded wonderful. Dont rightly remember the year exactly but it was earlier 70s, which about everything he had was of that era.
had some KUSTOM kush ;) in my day
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honestly just turning them on (that POP of the speaker) would knock things off shelves..............................BEASTS -- lovely wonderful but massive overkill for my little hole in the wall world
 
and there BOYS AND GIRLS is the krux of the WHOLE tech vs TUBE argument

BOB the gigging working trying to feed his family musician (or the young starting out busking 3 days a week gigs 2 nights a weeek) WHATEVER -- working joe in 2021 does not need a 100 watt marshall and 4x12 cabs to create HIS TONE

he needs light fast switch on the go dial in a Joe Walsh tone -- dial in a Jimmy Hendrix tone dial in a grahm nash tone -- "at the request" of a drunken reveler in the second row ......... on the fly

a vintage multi high dollar coveted wonderful TONE FILLED tube amp is lovely -- for those who can
1 afford it
2 USE it in its intended manor
3. pay schlubs to haul the behomouth around
4 have studio time to adjust all the lovely nuances to get it JUUUUUUUUUUUUST right


then there is the other 999.9% of the planet -- that has to play for 45 min in between soccer and taking the kids to grandmas..... or work ... or mowing the lawn -- or playing a 2 hour set at BOBS COUNTRY BUNKER

some have BLINDERS on to the reality of what the CURRENT world needs.
And frankly the need for a WALL OF MARSHALLS (though it sounds AMAZING and is all part of the experience of KISS on its FINAL TOUR---note FINAL!!! ;) ) is a thing to behold ......... its just..............................not as practical for the MAJORITY any more....

go ahead and argue about it .......
like they did decades ago about that petrol burning contraption "horseless buggy" that aint worth a poop......................... go ahead ....... Ill wait



Really? Only .1% of all players actually try to do something original, and sound like themselves? I thought I was in a much bigger group of players. Oh well, at least I'm in good company.

:io:
 
Oh, and it only takes me a minute or two to dial in an amp. It’s real easy, and I don’t understand all the tube amp hatred. Even my old clunkers only take a minute to dial in. Pedals on the other hand, may take a couple more minutes on occasion.
 
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what a weird thread... it's in the acoustic guitar section eh?
posts by guys who hate acoustic guitars in the acoustic guitar section?
why? I personally don't like "fake acoustics" or some kind of simulated
effect. I like to own and play both electric and acoustic ladies, just as
I prefer to own and play various electrics... I like lots of different tones.

A closed mind is a terrible handicap. Your music might end up sounding all the same.

post after post in the acoustic guitar section... but about giant obsolete amps, equipped with vacuum tubes for cryin' out loud. Buy a new truck to haul them around. You just pay
once a month, like you do yer rent.
And those padded Kustom amps look very seventies. cool man...

this below, my friends is an acoustic guitar... a real one.
it sounds really good. its neck is fast and comfortable.
I can plug it in and make it loud, and it sounds really good l ike that too.
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I believe that the majority of guitarists actually own and play acoustic guitars whenever they feel like it. When the song calls for that sound, there is no substitute. The tone of an acoustic
backing up an electric is an excellent sound.

There may be advances made in the simulation of the acoustic sound, but I don't think
there will ever be a time when the acoustic guitar is obsolete. And when the power grid
goes down, and all the amps and electric guitars are so much inert artwork, the acoustic
guitar will still be able to get the ladies hips swaying in the firelight.

The acoustic guitar has always been able to do that.

And that my friends is what it's actually all about.
 
I deeply appologize if my remarks above seemed annoying or cranky or what...
I didn't really mean to offend anyone. I like all kinds of music, and the Kustom amps
really do look cool, even if I don't have any desire to own one.

In the acoustic guitar section, I will attest that I have zero desire to own any amp that
I can't pick up with one hand, and walk out the door with. Here in 2021, there is very
little need for anything else. Who among us plays giant venues where he needs a huge
stage amp to hit the top of the bleachers with guitar tones?

Who among us plays so loud as to enter distortion country with an amp in excess of
400 watts? Or even 300 watts? If there are some on this forum, I salute you.
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I've seen pictures of bands that played venues that big with amps that big or bigger.
But I've also seen the Trucks/Tedeshi band playing a huge stadium using Fender deluxe
amps (miked). I can pick one of those up (if I grunt and groan a bit) one handed.
But they play electric guitars, which are disqualified in the acoustic section. (not really)

Here's an amp that an acoustic guitar player can dig, and understand quickly, and pick up
and carry to a gig... and make money playing.
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It's a Fishman Loudbox mini. This unplugs the entire obsolete argument about tubes vs SS.
In the acoustic guitar section, the difference between '70s rock an roll amps with solid state wiring and fifties rock an roll amps with vacuum tubes becomes academic at best.
The debate is not relevant to acoustic guitar players, because we don't distort the signal from our instrument(s). We play clean.

Many Jazz guitarists share this concept as well. (grins). Some of them use distortion sparingly and with taste and aesthetic discrimination, like makeup on a woman. If she uses too much, she begins to resemble the torrid Rock an Roll floozies we all love so well.
Rocker chicks are proof that gawd loves us and wants us to be happy.

But in the acoustic guitar section, the debate is between ye microphone placed just so in front of ye highly refined and very expensive tone wood top, vibrating with the pick attack of ye fervent guitarist and sent to the arcane world of the soundman's booth...
VS the plugged in sound of modern electronics installed in perhaps less expensive modern
guitars made of whatever wood is still available... but still with the picking attack of a more
progressive (or practical) guitarist and sent once again to the arcane world of the mixing board.

In the acoustic guitar section, the idea of "fake guitars" actually means the tones of some very legendary (and expensive) instruments played by studio pros under controlled conditions into
equally legendary high quality microphones (think U-47) in specific acoustically resonant places... and then saved into a tone library and downloaded by computer savvy guitarists so they can use it at will, and blend it with the dry sound of their less expensive (but more practical) instruments in order to amaze and awe the paying audience, through the aux input
of their Fishman Loudbox, or perhaps the Bluetooth connection with their durn iPhones.

What say you to that, me droogies?
 
Admins: HELP! I was only trying to edit my post, and it would NOT save, and I repeated the attempt when I shouldn't have. Please delete all the repetitions. This ain't rehearsal.
I think you can go back and delete any of your posts. There is some goofiness going on right now posting at this forum.

And... Welcome back Col Mustard... :cheers:
 
I have to agree the Fishman mini is a good unit with 60 watts of juice, and great for playing clean. I have one and i use it with my electric guitars as when i am gigging, the songs i play are clean oriented. And its light easy to move around, and with my Shure 58 plugged in makes a great PA as well. A well rounded amp.
 
thanks for the welcome back...

Admins: HELP! I was only trying to edit my post, and it would NOT save, and I repeated the attempt when I shouldn't have. Please delete all the repetitions. This ain't rehearsal.

Howdy, Colonel!

Nice to see you visiting. Oh, and I really enjoyed your acoustic words of wisdom!
 
thanks for the good words of welcome...

I'm a recent owner of the Fishman Loudbox. I found a used one and snapped it up.
It sounds great with either acoustic or electric ladies.

sparkling clean tones from either type. AND if I wanted a little crunch, I could play an electric through my pedal board. My boss Blues Driver is an excellent overdrive (simulation) IMHO, and works well at small venue levels,
or played by apartment dwellers where there are neighbors who own torches and pitchforks.
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what a weird thread... it's in the acoustic guitar section eh?
posts by guys who hate acoustic guitars in the acoustic guitar section?
why? I personally don't like "fake acoustics" or some kind of simulated
effect. I like to own and play both electric and acoustic ladies, just as
I prefer to own and play various electrics... I like lots of different tones.

A closed mind is a terrible handicap. Your music might end up sounding all the same.

post after post in the acoustic guitar section... but about giant obsolete amps, equipped with vacuum tubes for cryin' out loud. Buy a new truck to haul them around. You just pay
once a month, like you do yer rent.
And those padded Kustom amps look very seventies. cool man...

this below, my friends is an acoustic guitar... a real one.
it sounds really good. its neck is fast and comfortable.
I can plug it in and make it loud, and it sounds really good l ike that too.

I believe that the majority of guitarists actually own and play acoustic guitars whenever they feel like it. When the song calls for that sound, there is no substitute. The tone of an acoustic
backing up an electric is an excellent sound.

There may be advances made in the simulation of the acoustic sound, but I don't think
there will ever be a time when the acoustic guitar is obsolete. And when the power grid
goes down, and all the amps and electric guitars are so much inert artwork, the acoustic
guitar will still be able to get the ladies hips swaying in the firelight.

The acoustic guitar has always been able to do that.

And that my friends is what it's actually all about.


One of the beautiful things about an acoustic guitar is it's power, and what it can do for the overall sound of a mix. I've always tried to track with an acoustic guitar as well as a 12 string when recording basic tracks. It is amazing what they will do to the overall sound of a final mix, even when they are only subtly there. Added to a couple of tracks of electric guitar, you can create a massive wall of sound.

To quote Bill Janovitz of Buffalo Tom, "all the greatest recordings have had an acoustic guitar driving the rhythm of a song. Pete Townsend, Jimmy Page, and Keith Richards all laid an acoustic track behind a rhythm track, and moved it in and out in the final mix. Think of "Pinball Wizard" and the acoustic guitar in that track."

I've always been a fan of the real thing.
 
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