Attention Vette Lovers

It's all been done before....
All? What other company has a mid engine DOHC flat plane crank dry sump producing 670 HP, 2.6 second 0 to 60 time and sells for under $100,000? The Mustang? The GT? Hmmm, neither of these Ford products does ALL of that. the new Vette does at the same price.
 
All? What other company has a mid engine DOHC flat plane crank dry sump producing 670 HP, 2.6 second 0 to 60 time and sells for under $100,000? The Mustang? The GT? Hmmm, neither of these Ford products does ALL of that. the new Vette does at the same price.

Everything in this car has already been done. Mid engine, flat plane, everything. Even the styling is copied. GM has made a knock off of other makers technology. I won't even comment on the engine reliability issues.

Horsepower??? I am so jaded from my experience. A car just has to have more to offer.

What does it give you??? Copy-cat styling, pronounced understeer with snap oversteer and braking issues sufficient to mandate a stop sale order.


For some folks, this habit of GM trying to copy what other builders have done for decades and try somehow to call it their own is cool.

It just doesn't resonate with me...no matter how cheap they can make it.

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For "bang for buck" I'd take the British Ultima GTR720 $50,000 Ultima GTR Shatters $1.6 Million Ferrari FXX Top Gear Track Record
or
Top Gear Track Lap Record
The road registered Ultima GTR720 (complete with air con, stereo etc) was driven, not trailered to the track used by Top Gear (after Top Gear had refused to feature/run the Ultima), where, on it "road" tires, it smashed the "then" Lap record set by Schuey in his "track only" Ferrari FXX,,,& was then driven home again. The Ultima still holds the track's lap record. All with power supplied by a 350 Chev donk, no flat plane crank either. Ultima have since upped their game & wrung even more horses out of the little Chev engine.
That said, I do like the C8 'Vette. Cheers
 
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Everything in this car has already been done. Mid engine, flat plane, everything. Even the styling is copied.
Actually, I believe that GM "were" the first to develop & use the flat plane crank, in 1923, when they (GM) used a flat plane cank in the Cadillac type V-63 V8 engine. Other manufacturers soon copied this & continue to do so.
Similarly, the mid engined sports car was, I believe first conceived by an Austrian, one Mr H Von Rumpler (I believe he worked for Daimler). Again, other manufacturers soon copied this & continue to do so.

If we refused to buy cars from a particular manufacturer simply because the manufacturer had, at some time, with some models, for whatever reason, had to recall them, then we wouldn't be buying cars off many manufacturers at all. Cheers
 
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For "bang for buck" I'd take the British Ultima GTR720 $50,000 Ultima GTR Shatters $1.6 Million Ferrari FXX Top Gear Track Record
or
Top Gear Track Lap Record
The road registered Ultima GTR720 (complete with air con, stereo etc) was driven, not trailered to the track used by Top Gear (after Top Gear had refused to feature/run the Ultima), where, on it "road" tires, it smashed the "then" Lap record set by Schuey in his "track only" Ferrari FXX,,,& was then driven home again. The Ultima still holds the track's lap record. All with power supplied by a 350 Chev donk, no flat plane crank either. Ultima have since upped their game & wrung even more horses out of the little Chev engine.
That said, I do like the C8 'Vette. Cheers
Actually, I believe that GM "were" the first to develop & use the flat plane crank, in 1923, when they (GM) used a flat plane cank in the Cadillac type V-63 V8 engine. Other manufacturers soon copied this & continue to do so.
Similarly, the mid engined sports car was, I believe first conceived by an Austrian, one Mr H Von Rumpler (I believe he worked for Daimler). Again, other manufacturers soon copied this & continue to do so.

If we refused to buy cars from a particular manufacturer simply because the manufacturer had, at some time, with some models, for whatever reason, had to recall them, then we wouldn't be buying cars off many manufacturers at all. Cheers

My Pop's business built racing engines and I built a lot of Generation 1 Chevrolets. I was always unimpressed with the small black Chevrolet, but yes, they could be made powerful. We always made more power, more torque and did so at higher RPM with Fords and the 351 Cleveland was our favorite. At the time, we were the only builder who had not succumbed to the "monkey See - Monkey Do" aspect for building Chevy's.

Having said that, I am familiar with the engine you are referring to. V-63 is actually a chassis designation and not the engine designation. All 4 cylinder engines are flat-plane by design. When V8's were first developed, they were all flat-plane because they were basically two (4) cylinder engines connected together. This design causes a lot of vibration and Cadillac wanted to find a smoother running engine. It was The Peerless Motor Company that actually developed the cross-plane crankshaft that all V8's employ today. They patented the design and agreed to share the knowledge with Cadillac. There are some articles on this. The V63 chassis used three engines - a 314, 341 and 353 CID "Flathead" V8's.

I mean, it's largely a matter of taste and preference really. I, personally, see nothing attractive about the Corvette. I've driven them at Fontana Speedway and immediately noticed ill handling qualities that I remarked about in a TTR thread some time ago, much the the dismay of the GM worshippers. I've spent plenty of track time in mid-engine cars, both on the wrench and as a driving instructor, so I felt like GM put a lot of effort into trying to build a car that would borrow the best attributes of Ferrari/Lamborghini, cheapen it radically and offer it at a value to the public. The big factor when examining the new C8 is the cheapness in terms of lack of build quality.

Your average person will look at copycat McLaren styling and be enamored. But I look at things like the cracks you see developing in the body around the air scoops from stress the designer did not account for to how things just don't align properly. It's a lot like Van Halen and the Brown M&M's, in that if you can't get this aspect of the design "right," then expect the more complex parts of the car to suffer from poor or "reduced to a price point" engineering.

I have really backed off of the car hobby. I once had several 911's including a 1968 911R, followed by a 1964 Ferrari 330 GTC 2+2, a Lamborghini Jarama, and a Maserati Mexico. I found the hobby to be quite costly. In 1998, I started to step away from the exotics and the ground up restorations. As much as I enjoyed how my Ferrari sounded, I never felt like I was any more of a person by driving one - I just enjoyed how the car ran and I liked being able to make (4) 3-barrel Webers run eloquently.

To this day, I still drive (and will always do so) a manual transmission. My 2001 F250 Truck is the only vehicle I have ever owned and driven with an automatic transmission. My Mustang is a great car and it's a trusted daily driver. To me, cars just don't really excite me anymore. I don't care if people like me. My windows are tinted dark so you cannot see me. If people like the new Corvette, then great! I have two colleagues who own them and both are causing them problems. Thankfully, they are under warranty.
 
Everything in this car has already been done. Mid engine, flat plane, everything. Even the styling is copied. GM has made a knock off of other makers technology. I won't even comment on the engine reliability issues.
I totally concur. It’s all been done before. But as we’ve all come to learn over time. There are no original thoughts…. Or at least few original thoughts. Whether music or smart phones or cars. Of course Chevy “borrowed” ideas to build the new Vette. I know that. You know that. Their engineers know that. Betting most here know that. I’m still a Chevy guy. I’d gladly park it in my garage if it were given to me since no way I’d spend 100 large on any car.

PS: Yes. This Chevy guy does drive a Honda Civic as his daily driver. I do, however, have a 77 Vette parked next to it in the garage. 1636723640356.jpeg
 
I totally concur. It’s all been done before. But as we’ve all come to learn over time. There are no original thoughts…. Or at least few original thoughts. Whether music or smart phones or cars. Of course Chevy “borrowed” ideas to build the new Vette. I know that. You know that. Their engineers know that. Betting most here know that. I’m still a Chevy guy. I’d gladly park it in my garage if it were given to me since no way I’d spend 100 large on any car.

PS: Yes. This Chevy guy does drive a Honda Civic as his daily driver. I do, however, have a 77 Vette parked next to it in the garage. View attachment 75716

Mom & Pop had one like that. 1974 and we painted it red for Mom, as it was originally white. Super cool car you got there!!!!
 
I only own one car - my Yellow 2006 Mustang GT. I drive it everyday and use it for everything. Occasionally, I drive my wife's Honda Fit 9which is a great car) and we are getting ready to buy a brand new Kia Telluride. basically so our rear seat passengers can have A/C and the 10 Year/100,00 mile warranty.

If I had $100,000 lying around, I would likely try and find someway to enrich the lives of others with the money.
 
I only own one car - my Yellow 2006 Mustang GT. I drive it everyday and use it for everything. Occasionally, I drive my wife's Honda Fit 9which is a great car) and we are getting ready to buy a brand new Kia Telluride. basically so our rear seat passengers can have A/C and the 10 Year/100,00 mile warranty.

If I had $100,000 lying around, I would likely try and find someway to enrich the lives of others with the money.
My youngest just bought a Telluride. You’re gonna like it. Great car.
 
Which is what I really liked about the first “retro” Mustang. I really liked how well Ford did in making it look so much like the 1960s Stangs.

My wife tells me I should buy a newer car, but I like my 2006 GT. I understand the car's electronics and I can work on it in my little garage without special tools. I've already figured that I will put Ford's "Hot Rod Cams" in it and likely supercharge it in the future, just for my own personal fun....even if it won't beat my next door neighbor's Lamborghini Urus SUV.

The Urus is a 650 horse 4.0 Litre V8.
 
Mom & Pop had one like that. 1974 and we painted it red for Mom, as it was originally white. Super cool car you got there!!!!
I wanted to buy a new white 74 Vette. I was out of HS. I was working. I could afford the payments. My insurance man talked me out of it. Insurance for this 19 year old would have cost me more a year than the car payments.

Edit: correct that. I was 20 not 19. Not that it made a difference on the insurance.
 
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