What would you do?

DirtySteve

DirtySteve

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I just thought I'd ask this question here to get started on the forum, even tho I think I already know the answer I thought it couldn't hurt to ask. This is all because of poor planning on my part when I ordered my body, I shouldn't have ordered it with the holes predrilled and I wasn't going to, but I had a brain stinker when placing my order.

This is a Warmoth T-style I built. It's my favorite guitar except for 1 issue...

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The problem... I need tone control only on the neck pickup when both pickups are selected. With a normal switch when both pickups are selected (middle position) the tone works on both pickups even tho it's wired only to the neck pickup on the switch. I've thought about adding a second volume pot for the neck pickup, but I'm not loving the look of it where I can put it and I really don't want to drill another hole if I don't have to.

I've done this before where I put an extra pot in between the normal pots, but there's not much room there and it's a PITA to wire up because the pots are so close (and I had to mix long shaft and short shaft pots to even make it fit at all), plus the knobs are all really close together doing it that way so really my only option (I can see) is to put it down under the other controls like this, but I don't like the way it looks...

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Do any of you guys know of any other option that will get me what I want without adding a second volume?
 
Frankly Mr. Dirty -- I think what you need to do-- is get the wood some proper nourishment--- the entire guitar looks so "dry" in the pics----

It needs to come to eSGEes Half Way House for dry gutiars.........

here we will slather it in humidity --- slowly--- lavishly -- and allow it to achieve a proper density -----

then -- it can resonate and create beautiful tones beyond your present aural imagination............


sorry I was bored

nice axe dude ----
 
Don O said:
If ya do go concentric pots, you’ll find they don’t have a lot of thread length for a typical wood top. I put a wood dowel in the hole and use a Forstner drill bit to counter sink from the inside.
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Thanks, that's pretty slick. When I've run into the issue before I've used a dremel.
 
If you want a tone control that works on only the neck pickup when both pickups are selected, you need active circuitry.

AFAIK there's no way to do that with passive wiring because when both pickups are engaged at the switch, any tone control is going to roll off highs from both pickups. Seems like you'd need an individual buffer for each pickup and then a summing amp.

FWIW, I know a bass player who tried that and he said it wasn't really much of a difference.

BTW, Bartolini makes a dual mini pot with very small knobs, good for tight places. I got one a couple of years ago.
Model # is DC500KA; also made in a 250K version.

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eclecticsynergy said:
If you want a tone control that works on only the neck pickup when both pickups are selected, you need active circuitry.

AFAIK there's no way to do that with passive wiring because when both pickups are engaged at the switch, any tone control is going to roll off highs from both pickups. Seems like you'd need an individual buffer for each pickup and then a summing amp.

FWIW, I know a bass player who tried that and he said it wasn't really much of a difference.

BTW, Bartolini makes a dual mini pot with very small knobs, good for tight places. I got one a couple of years ago.
Model # is DC500KA; also made in a 250K version.
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I 've been doing some more research and experimenting and it seems you're right. I could have sworn I had another guitar that was wired to have the tone control only on the neck pickup. I guess I was wrong about that and that's what I've been going by. I thought that having 2 volumes would allow me to do this, but it doesn't. I can't begin to tell you how pissed off I am that this can't be done.

So this thread is a total waste of space and once again I've made a fool of myself. thanks for all your replies and sorry to waste your time. :BH:
 
DirtySteve said:
I 've been doing some more research and experimenting and it seems you're right. I could have sworn I had another guitar that was wired to have the tone control only on the neck pickup. I guess I was wrong about that and that's what I've been going by. I thought that having 2 volumes would allow me to do this, but it doesn't. I can't begin to tell you how pissed off I am that this can't be done.

So this thread is a total waste of space and once again I've made a fool of myself. thanks for all your replies and sorry to waste your time. :BH:
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Time was not wasted Steve, plus I got a good look at a very cool instrument of yours again.
Plus I learned a little something as well.
Cheers
Mitch
 
DirtySteve said:
I just thought I'd ask this question here to get started on the forum, even tho I think I already know the answer I thought it couldn't hurt to ask. This is all because of poor planning on my part when I ordered my body, I shouldn't have ordered it with the holes predrilled and I wasn't going to, but I had a brain stinker when placing my order.

This is a Warmoth T-style I built. It's my favorite guitar except for 1 issue...

b1HiykD.jpg



The problem... I need tone control only on the neck pickup when both pickups are selected. With a normal switch when both pickups are selected (middle position) the tone works on both pickups even tho it's wired only to the neck pickup on the switch. I've thought about adding a second volume pot for the neck pickup, but I'm not loving the look of it where I can put it and I really don't want to drill another hole if I don't have to.

I've done this before where I put an extra pot in between the normal pots, but there's not much room there and it's a PITA to wire up because the pots are so close (and I had to mix long shaft and short shaft pots to even make it fit at all), plus the knobs are all really close together doing it that way so really my only option (I can see) is to put it down under the other controls like this, but I don't like the way it looks...

3YIaObZ.jpg




Do any of you guys know of any other option that will get me what I want without adding a second volume?
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You can't do that.
If both PUs are selected, the tone control is going to affect them both.

Now in active electronics, battery powered it would be possible. Just not practical.
 
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