Homemade 5F2A Tweed Princeton amp, first build

Looking at the job SG John has done, one could easily believe that he has done this before, no doubt about it. IMHO, he chose wisely because
(1) He is familiar with this circuit from it being used in the book he has to describe how each stage of an amp works.
(2) It IS a simple design, about as simple as it gets. These type amps, the Champs & Princetons, were Leo's "student" models. About 5 watt output power, low parts count so cheap to produce. A 1 watt tube amp would be no simpler.
(3) They sound fantastic. These type amps have been used on countless recordings through the decades & continue to be used. Guitarists of the calibre of Eric Clapton & Keith Richards have, at times toured using them on stage. Guys like these can use most any amp they want, so that they have used Fender Champs & Princetons speaks volumes about these type amps.
To really get the best out of this amp SG John, try some old glass in it. NOS/NIB USA made 6V6's are still readily available & reasonably priced, same with the British made types.
For a 7025/12AX7, if you don't want to spring for an RCA, a (50's era) Sylvania will sound great, usually last almost forever & they can had at good prices.
Cheers

When you put it like that... :)

We're lucky on here to have some real amp experts such as yourself, and enthusiastic smart 'learners' such as SG John. Then, there are the idiots such as meself who just kinda look on in amazement.
 
To really get the best out of this amp SG John, try some old glass in it. NOS/NIB USA made 6V6's are still readily available & reasonably priced, same with the British made types.
For a 7025/12AX7, if you don't want to spring for an RCA, a (50's era) Sylvania will sound great, usually last almost forever & they can had at good prices.
Cheers
I'll admit that I sniff quite a bit of cork at times, but there's a lot to be said about NOS tubes for amp designs that where built in 50's and 60's.
 
Looking at the job SG John has done, one could easily believe that he has done this before, no doubt about it. IMHO, he chose wisely because
(1) He is familiar with this circuit from it being used in the book he has to describe how each stage of an amp works.
(2) It IS a simple design, about as simple as it gets. These type amps, the Champs & Princetons, were Leo's "student" models. About 5 watt output power, low parts count so cheap to produce. A 1 watt tube amp would be no simpler.
(3) They sound fantastic. These type amps have been used on countless recordings through the decades & continue to be used. Guitarists of the calibre of Eric Clapton & Keith Richards have, at times toured using them on stage. Guys like these can use most any amp they want, so that they have used Fender Champs & Princetons speaks volumes about these type amps.
To really get the best out of this amp SG John, try some old glass in it. NOS/NIB USA made 6V6's are still readily available & reasonably priced, same with the British made types.
For a 7025/12AX7, if you don't want to spring for an RCA, a (50's era) Sylvania will sound great, usually last almost forever & they can had at good prices.
Cheers


You're right. I did build it so I could comprehend what I was doing, and get the most from it. Some day, I feel like i'm trying to cram 5 gallons of knowledge into a pint sized brain. Today, I was chasing PLC problems in a safety circuit on a Heidenhain CNC control. My brain hurts right now.

Since it's so simple, it also gives me the ability to change around cap and resistor values, and see how it affects things.

Thanks for reminding me. I'm pretty sure that I have a single Raytheon 6V6GT leftover from when it's mate melted in my Deluxe Reverb. I'll have to hunt for it. I don't think I have any more RCA 12ax7s laying around. Several years ago I bought several, and I think they are now in amps. I may have a Philips or something else nice. I've been meaning to stock up again, but money has been tight.


I'll admit that I sniff quite a bit of cork at times, but there's a lot to be said about NOS tubes for amp designs that where built in 50's and 60's.

I know those corks well. Almost all my amps have either the correct NOS tubes for when the amp was built, or earlier. My '64 Bandmaster has nothing but early sixties RCA tubes in it, and the '71 Deluxe Reverb has a nice selection of Raytheon, RCA, and Philips in it. My Marshalls all have old Mullard, Siemens, or Telefunken tubes in them, and my DST-30 is full of Telefunken EL84s and the rest are Amperex, Mullard, and Brimar. I have a nice stash of NOS Mullard EL34s from the Blackburn factory for my Hiwatt. I need to undo a couple of mods first, then I'll go with all old glass in that one.

As a result, the amps rarely need maintenance. Just an occasional shot of De-Oxit. With the right tubes, you do get what you pay for.


Did you get zapped at all?

No, not at all. I'm very cautious with electricity. The bus bars on the servo amplifiers and drives I work on are usually 200 and 400 volts AC and 650 volts DC. I had a coworker hit me with 400VAC once because he is a wreckless imbecile. It's not fun.

Used a dummy load on the speaker jack, and a variac to bring up the power slowly with no tubes plugged in. Once we were sure that no fuses would blow at start-up, we powered down and put the tubes in, and let her rip.
 
I did find a pair of Raytheon 6V6GT tubes. They may be the backup set I bought. I also found a pair of Baldwin badged 7025 tubes. They are either RCA or Sylvania. I forget which, but both are really nice. I think those are extras from when I bought a lot of 7025 tubes to get my Bandmaster and Deluxe Reverb with the correct tubes, and not just 12ax7 in every socket (as they were).

Maybe Thursday night I'll have some time to swap them and play a bit.
 
I did find a pair of Raytheon 6V6GT tubes. They may be the backup set I bought. I also found a pair of Baldwin badged 7025 tubes. They are either RCA or Sylvania. I forget which, but both are really nice. I think those are extras from when I bought a lot of 7025 tubes to get my Bandmaster and Deluxe Reverb with the correct tubes, and not just 12ax7 in every socket (as they were).

Maybe Thursday night I'll have some time to swap them and play a bit.
I would love to hear a clip of your build brother..
Because I am incapable of building an amp !!
 
Well another one bites the dust. This is an excellent job well done. BUT it will not be your last.
This is a whole new kind of GAS you will find, Next you will want to build a PLEXI or a Deluxe Reverb what ever.
Once you build one and play through it, you will want to try another.

Congratulations on a beautiful job.
 
Well another one bites the dust. This is an excellent job well done. BUT it will not be your last.
This is a whole new kind of GAS you will find, Next you will want to build a PLEXI or a Deluxe Reverb what ever.
Once you build one and play through it, you will want to try another.

Congratulations on a beautiful job.


Thanks for all the nice comments.


You're right Chas. I'm now starting to source the parts for a JTM45. I want to make sure I get a chassis that will fit KT66 tubes. I also have a couple of more projects on the wish list, but I also need to make sure I leave myself time to finish some guitars, and play some music. All work and no play is not fun.

Also, if any of you have a preference for transformers, let me know. What is the best modern equivalent to a Radio Spares or early Drake? How are the modern Hayboer trannies? Are the Classic Tone trannies any good? I'd like to know sooner than later.

Cheers! :cheers:
 
Thanks for all the nice comments.


You're right Chas. I'm now starting to source the parts for a JTM45. I want to make sure I get a chassis that will fit KT66 tubes. I also have a couple of more projects on the wish list, but I also need to make sure I leave myself time to finish some guitars, and play some music. All work and no play is not fun.

Also, if any of you have a preference for transformers, let me know. What is the best modern equivalent to a Radio Spares or early Drake? How are the modern Hayboer trannies? Are the Classic Tone trannies any good? I'd like to know sooner than later.

Cheers! :cheers:

I use the Classic Tones in mine. I like how they perform. Mojo Tone has a JTK45 chassis.
Give them a call to see it the tubes will fit. They should but a call is cheap.
 
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