Amp tone and volume

My vox tone lab has a volume pedal on it and I can do as Robert says with it, but this is on the Dsl40c’s at low volume to begin with.
When I want gig worthy volume, I do have to change the amount of gain , I use but I also ditch the tone lab and use the mxr 10 band eq and go to red 1 and as volume goes up gain comes down.
After all we are using our own ears and what we are personally looking for.
Cheers
Mitch
 
ivan H said:
RVA, are the amplifiers that you are using "master volume" types & if so, are you using the master to turn up the volume level? I ask this because most "master volume" controls are what is known "pre phase inverter" master volume. With these, as they are turned up (& the phase inverter is driven harder) the amps tone can "thicken", requiring adjustment of the amps EQ controls. Cheers
Edit; I've probably missed some of what you have said in this, it's still a little early here. Cheers
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That helps a lot, thank you. I always thought that master volumes circumvented tonal influences
 
I've kind of done a quick scan of this thread...

What is the base tone your working with.... A distorted tone, clean....

Where one stands in relation to the speakers will yield all kinds of info, good and bad.

I agree with Mitch on this.
With distorted tones, the louder I would go the less gain that is needed to compensate
for more of the speakers being put into play. More less maybe true for the EQ controls too.

Tone being sculpted by what the speakers are being fed.

I think someone posted great advice about dialing in the tone at the volume the amp will be played at.

Just thought of the pickup being used too. Compensation made for using a higher output pickup, again not
sure what tone your using.

No right or wrong, just what works for each of us.
 
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I went back and dialed in the tone at higher volume as if I had just bought the amp. I got a very pleasing tone. When I lowered the volume, it was still quite good at the same settings, and while not optimal, immensely better than the procedure performed in reverse, which is where I was when I started this thread.

Thank you all for the great advice
 
stringtree said:
I've kind of done a quick scan of this thread...

What is the base tone your working with.... A distorted tone, clean....

Where one stands in relation to the speakers will yield all kinds of info, good and bad.

I agree with Mitch on this.
With distorted tones, the louder I would go the less gain that is needed to compensate
for more of the speakers being put into play. More less maybe true for the EQ controls too.

Tone being sculpted by what the speakers are being fed.

I think someone posted great advice about dialing in the tone at the volume the amp will be played at.

Just thought of the pickup being used too. Compensation made for using a higher output pickup, again not
sure what tone your using.

No right or wrong, just what works for each of us.
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Well said, String.................. So many factors influence tone. Also, since you are new here, RVA has like 3 guitars to select from, and all the possible combo's of settings they have can be mind numbing. Then his other conundrum is he has like 3 pedals and 2 amps with all their knobs and stompers, it is a wonder he can keep it all straight.

:jammer:
 
String,,,,,,,,,,,,,, In case you don't know it, due to my nature, I joke a little bit.

RVA otherwise known as Ray or Mr Tuners to none other than Paul Reed Smith himself, Has slightly a few more than 3 guitars, 2 amps and 3 pedals.

When he is chasing tone or a buzz or hum or some kind of anomaly, he has his work cut out till he gets it sorted to his satisfaction.
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
String,,,,,,,,,,,,,, In case you don't know it, due to my nature, I joke a little bit.

RVA otherwise known as Ray or Mr Tuners to none other than Paul Reed Smith himself, Has slightly a few more than 3 guitars, 2 amps and 3 pedals.

When he is chasing tone or a buzz or hum or some kind of anomaly, he has his work cut out till he gets it sorted to his satisfaction.
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So true. There are miles of cable in my rig. It was not until tonight for the first time that I decided to match the guitar in my hand to the amp that is best suited for it. Previously, I would pick the guitar I was in the mood for and the amp I wanted to play without consideration for each other.
 
RVA said:
So true. There are miles of cable in my rig. It was not until tonight for the first time that I decided to match the guitar in my hand to the amp that is best suited for it. Previously, I would pick the guitar I was in the mood for and the amp I wanted to play without consideration for each other.
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There is a lot to be said for mood. Anyone that is Blessed to have multiple guitars and amps, chooses which one to play based on mood.

That mood/feeling can translate into music.

You got any clips you care to share.... Maybe we could help you better by hearing what you are experiencing.
 
RVA said:
So true. There are miles of cable in my rig. It was not until tonight for the first time that I decided to match the guitar in my hand to the amp that is best suited for it. Previously, I would pick the guitar I was in the mood for and the amp I wanted to play without consideration for each other.
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You guys are super scientific about this. I am blessed not to be so smart. I just use one amp. One board. All the guitars sound phenomenally similar and super consistent.
 
Goldmember said:
Nobody participated in National No Bra Day here. I did my best to find any participants.
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Robert Herndon said:
You guys are super scientific about this. I am blessed not to be so smart. I just use one amp. One board. All the guitars sound phenomenally similar and super consistent.
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Mitch Pearrow SJMP said:
Same here Robert.
Only I don’t play as well as you .
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Robert, you are super smart and utilize your skills and experience to your advantage and to make music both for recordings and live performances. If one finds seeks and finds what works best for them, that is as smart as it comes.

As for you, Mitch, you play nicely as well and make music you enjoy. That is a special result and the secret to all our quests for tone.
 
stringtree said:
There is a lot to be said for mood. Anyone that is Blessed to have multiple guitars and amps, chooses which one to play based on mood.

That mood/feeling can translate into music.

You got any clips you care to share.... Maybe we could help you better by hearing what you are experiencing.
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I record most of my clips direct, but I will do a few amp samples in the near future. Thanks for asking
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
Robert, you are super smart and utilize your skills and experience to your advantage and to make music both for recordings and live performances. If one finds seeks and finds what works best for them, that is as smart as it comes.

As for you, Mitch, you play nicely as well and make music you enjoy. That is a special result and the secret to all our quests for tone.
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Well said chilipeppermaniac!! ;)
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
Ray, How about doing direct and amp recordings of the same tune,noodling. Then we can see how both compare.
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Direct and mic recroding comparisions is a whole new topic, but easily done. The thing is the difference will be dictated by the mic selected, where it is placed, etc., so I am not sure how much the comparison proves since the contrast can vary so much from recording to recording
 
have a Moskey buffer at the end of my run...set to keep a few dirt pedals rotating for fun, ..i have this set ups o i can get exact bump needed quickly for fender...but my board is dead quiet..signal restored at end of chain for $15

live ,tuner-wah-pedal of choice & LB1 at end to even channels if using VMDirt (2).jpg
 
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