Playing In The Sun:

I cant watch the Adrian Smith thing now, but I will later at home.
My guess would be exposure to rapid temp change would affect neck relief tension first.
Did the sun make your tuning go sharp @Robert Herndon ?

I recall watching vid of Samantha Fish outdoor gig where it was a bit cold out; between songs while tuning she mentioned the cold was playing hell with her tuning.
I dont recall the guitar.

I would also guess solid / rock maple / Fender necks might be more resistant to this.

But then again, I know exactly squat.


WavMixer said:
If you have an explosive diarrhea, it a poop shoot!
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And that there is funny, I dont care who y'are!!

And the title of this thread immediately brought to mind the Langston Hughes poem Harlem.

Harlem
BY LANGSTON HUGHES
What happens to a dream deferred?

Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore—
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over—
like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.

Or does it explode?
 
jtcnj said:
I cant watch the Adrian Smith thing now, but I will later at home.
My guess would be exposure to rapid temp change would affect neck relief tension first.
Did the sun make your tuning go sharp @Robert Herndon ?

I recall watching vid of Samantha Fish outdoor gig where it was a bit cold out; between songs while tuning she mentioned the cold was playing hell with her tuning.
I dont recall the guitar.

I would also guess solid / rock maple / Fender necks might be more resistant to this.

But then again, I know exactly squat.



And that there is funny, I dont care who y'are!!

And the title of this thread immediately brought to mind the Langston Hughes poem Harlem.

Harlem
BY LANGSTON HUGHES
What happens to a dream deferred?

Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore—
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over—
like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.

Or does it explode?
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It's strange, but its manageable at our rehearsals. Our lead player has a Gibson SG and he encounters similar issues, except his goes sharp. No 'plinking' just a little sharpness.

So, on a given Saturday, I drive 65 miles - one way - to rehearsal. Guitars are in an air conditioned car for the trip. While setting up, they are allowed to acclimate in the stands. Rehearsal space has several fans and is comfortable, but warm. I would estimate that Aaron's garage is about 85°F on the average 100°F day.

Under these conditions, i experience all three Paul's going slightly sharp.

Funny thing is, I experience the tuning issues with new or old strings too. I'm using Ernie Ball Cobalts, and I can play 2-3 weeks - daily - in the studio and never have to touch the tuning!!! No matter how hard I play it, all three Paul's stay dead-on in tune - as long as I am indoors.

All my strings are installed the same way Wayne Charvel showed me - 2-1/2 wraps on wound and 3-1/2 wraps on plain. Esge has seen this on the SG i gave him. It works.

Nut slots are dressed by hand with Stewie-Mac saws. I generally go .006" bigger than string diameter and I stop short of desired depth - based on 1st fret height - then add a rounded profile to the nut floor with a welding tip cleaner, finishing up with abrasive cord. I add a slight flare to the nut exit - again, a technique I learned by pestering Wayne Charvel - and this has always given me 'plink-free' tuning.

I have experimented with 'nut sauce' and it has no effect on this behavior, either going sharp - at around 80-85°F - or going flat when temps are well over 100°F.

My real Gibson Les Paul has Green Keys. It is affected to the greatest degree by heat. The 59 China replica I got from Esge has Grovers and it's much less affected. The black Les Paul Custom replica we built in Rancho Cucamonga from parts also has Grovers and it is the most thermally stable of the three.

Now, here's where things take a turn...

My Von Herndon double neck was built from B. Hefner parts. It has custom one-piece, solid mahogany necks with custom designed tongue and groove neck joints. We attached the necks to the body with a two part wood adhesive used in wooden aircraft production, purchased from Aircraft Spruce & Specialty.

I have a set of Gibson Green Keys on the six string side, given to me by Kevin Paul.

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The nut is cut with the same tools and methodology I described previously.

The double neck is impervious to heat or cold. The tuning may change slightly - about 1 green bar ever so slightly sharp after it comes out of the case - but after that, it stays in perfect tune.

You can put it in the stand, in direct sunlight, until it is uncomfortable to the touch, pick it up and its dead-on the money.

Interesting, isn't it???
 
VERY!!
I find my sloppy play and stepping on a RAT hide it pretty well.
Kidding, well half kidding.
I can really hear when my G or B strings pull flat after some very bendy things. Usually this does not happen.

When I first plug in / warm up I play some barre chord runs, then do a run of bends from hi e to lo e then back up again, then tune.
It seems to settle everything in first.
Re tune then my guitars mostly stay in tune.

this has nothing to do with environment changes during my practice time, but if I tune first after taking a guitar from rack or stand that has been sitting overnight, it will be off when I check it again after I've been playing a bit.

I can tell if it is more or less humid than my last session - I run a dehumidifier in the basement / play space in warm months, but there is still noticeable range - predictable that my tuning will be a little flat or sharp when first picked up of the rack or stand.
 
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VERY!!
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Put Snark tuner on any one of my Paul's. Pick them up out of the case by the neck and watch the tuner - they all go slightly flat.

Put tuners on both necks of the double neck. Lift it out of the case by either neck, or by both - no change at all.

The neck joints look good on all the Paul's. The Lemonburst and the Black Custom are finished in poly and no cracking is visible around the joints, but the necks seem very usable- and it's most prevelant on my real Gibson Les Paul.
 
Robert Herndon said:
Put Snark tuner on any one of my Paul's. Pick them up out of the case by the neck and watch the tuner - they all go slightly flat.

Put tuners on both necks of the double neck. Lift it out of the case by either neck, or by both - no change at all.

The neck joints look good on all the Paul's. The Lemonburst and the Black Custom are finished in poly and no cracking is visible around the joints, but the necks seem very usable- and it's most prevelant on my real Gibson Les Paul.
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All of my Gibson’s go sharp in cooler temps, and they go flat in the warmer days of summer, even if stored in their cases, all of my strats stay pretty much where they belong but as jtcnj says sometimes they need to be reset after a couple of days sitting in the rack stand, but stable after tuning!
Cheers
 
Mitch Pearrow SJMP said:
All of my Gibson’s go sharp in cooler temps, and they go flat in the warmer days of summer, even if stored in their cases, all of my strats stay pretty much where they belong but as jtcnj says sometimes they need to be reset after a couple of days sitting in the rack stand, but stable after tuning!
Cheers
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I get the opposite of that seasonally, adjusted for with truss rod, as opposed to day to day tuning fluctuations.
 
Mitch Pearrow SJMP said:
All of my Gibson’s go sharp in cooler temps, and they go flat in the warmer days of summer, even if stored in their cases, all of my strats stay pretty much where they belong but as jtcnj says sometimes they need to be reset after a couple of days sitting in the rack stand, but stable after tuning!
Cheers
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EXACTLY what I experience!!!!!
 
jtcnj said:
VERY!!
I find my sloppy play and stepping on a RAT hide it pretty well.
Kidding, well half kidding.
I can really hear when my G or B strings pull flat after some very bendy things. Usually this does not happen.

When I first plug in / warm up I play some barre chord runs, then do a run of bends from hi e to lo e then back up again, then tune.
It seems to settle everything in first.
Re tune then my guitars mostly stay in tune.

this has nothing to do with environment changes during my practice time, but if I tune first after taking a guitar from rack or stand that has been sitting overnight, it will be off when I check it again after I've been playing a bit.

I can tell if it is more or less humid than my last session - I run a dehumidifier in the basement / play space in warm months, but there is still noticeable range - predictable that my tuning will be a little flat or sharp when first picked up of the rack or stand.
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Give you an example...we kicked off "Livin' After Midnight" and i was playing the real Gibson (a 2016 Les Paul 50's Tribute) and into the second verse, I could hear the oscillation, and I would pull the strings towards the bottom of the fretboard to sharpen the notes and keep playing in tune.

I just don't want to do this anymore.

Ask Johnny Goo this - when listening to any of my guitar work that I have posted, the #1 thing you will notice is my tuning is spot-on and my intonation is too. Goo picked up on this right away, so I can hear a problem even without checking with a tuner.
 
JohnnyGoo said:
Ya i never hear any out of tune warble even under high gain on your playin Robert.
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In the studio, they stay in tune rock-solid, man!!!!

I have to say, the Squirecaster - even with a Gibson 500T in the bridge - doesn't sound anywhere near as good as ANY of my Les Paul's, but I would rather be 'in-tune' with less than stellar tone, than have fantastic tone and be fighting the guitar through every song...
 
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