Chord theory quandry - m7b5 or 9th with 6th string root?

ChasFred said:
It wasn't till I say this picture that stuff started making sense to me.

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That’s a cool chart. I have never seen it before.

However, while I realize it is just a guide to get you started, not all songs and progressions begin on the I chord.

Plenty of songs will begin on the IV chord, or some other chord. But, IV is somewhat common.

I realize you aren’t saying this, but a common mistake is to think the first chord of a song indicates the key of a song. That is, to think if a song begins with a C chord, then the song is in the key of C. This does happen in the majority of cases, but it’s not always the case.

Nevertheless, that chart is an interesting reference.
 
smitty_p said:
That’s a cool chart. I have never seen it before.

However, while I realize it is just a guide to get you started, not all songs and progressions begin on the I chord.

Plenty of songs will begin on the IV chord, or some other chord. But, IV is somewhat common.

I realize you aren’t saying this, but a common mistake is to think the first chord of a song indicates the key of a song. That is, to think if a song begins with a C chord, then the song is in the key of C. This does happen in the majority of cases, but it’s not always the case.

Nevertheless, that chart is an interesting reference.
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OK Smitty . . . .Here is an expanded version of the above chart.


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OK Smitty . . . .Here is an expanded version of the above chart.
 
gball said:
Man, I wish I knew even the tiniest bit of theory. Or even what these damn chords are even called!

I see these chords in the OP, and they are things I have picked up here and there over the years just playing with a lot of different cats, and I use them all the time, but mang I could not begin to tell you what they are called. I just plop stuff in where I think it will sound right. Sometimes it does and sometimes...:poo:
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I have the same problem---most everything I learned "early on" was watching other players hand positions --I dont knoiw what any are "called"---I have my names--the Buddy guy thing-- the Warren DMartini thing -- the George lynch thing ---the Joe PErry run.....etc etc...lol
 
I did the whole kit when taking lessons as a kid, if that even matters. It's just the more songs you know the more chords you know! Early on I did sight reading in different positions just to " Learn " the guitar neck and like everything it at first it was boring but after a while it became fun! Also, I remember getting these stick things that you put on each fret telling you what notes were where. Nothing was ever better than being a guitar geek. 50 years later I still am but even more ..... brainy.gif
 
ChasFred said:
Hell I didnt even know what I-IV-V meant until about 10 years ago.
What can I say, I am a bedroom noodler at best with some cool gear.
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You already know more than me!!!!

I used to know a little about the Nashville Numbers System, but I never really had the time to fully grasp it, because I was working everyday and I learned to make my handicaps work in my favor...
 
RVA said:
Nice!

I love how so many regularly posts clips here. I do not see that elsewhere.
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i agree. was always frustrated when people talk gear & dont demo it. Nothing to be ashamed of...that was simple takes for fun...many mistakes but got to hear my SGJ & 98 LP working together..Super Reverb with a rat just boosted enough to break the amp...and darn it a new song has happened..we penned the lyrics already..when you guys post your clips..i listen always..especially when the settings are talked about..we in this together man !!
 
ChasFred said:
Yeah but YOUR the one working as a Hired Gun Guitar Slinger, and I am STILL the bedroom noodler.
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This is true, and I think we all are interested in Robert’s situation.

But, I’m always harping on the individual nature of music...and what it means to you.

Your musical journey is not Robert’s journey, and his is not yours...or mine. You should never judge yourself by someone else.

The real criteria is how meaningful the music is to you.
 
Vox AC30 said:
I did the whole kit when taking lessons as a kid, if that even matters. It's just the more songs you know the more chords you know! Early on I did sight reading in different positions just to " Learn " the guitar neck and like everything it at first it was boring but after a while it became fun! Also, I remember getting these stick things that you put on each fret telling you what notes were where. Nothing was ever better than being a guitar geek. 50 years later I still am but even more ..... View attachment 29863
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Ok...this will showcase my handicap, but in general, I can look at the neck and based on the fret markers, I know what note pressing a string at that marker will yield as well as the frets in between.

When I hear a guitar solo, I can literally see it playing out on a fretboard in my head.

In the studio, when i am asked to compose a solo, I listen to the song and get a feel for the mood of the song. Then I hum a solo that I feel "fits" the mood. I dont think about patterns. I dont think about scales. I think only of the melody.

As long as I begin and end on the correct notes, any note - even dissonant notes - can be played in between the chord changes. My producer calls this "landing on your feet."

I do not know scales. I only know how to create a melody by putting notes together. I tried memorizing scales and found it confusing.

A good example is my improvised solo to our rendition of Rainbow's Stone Cold.

I was playing Blackmore's lead note for note and the engineer asked how I would play the solo if I had written the song. My answer was simple; "I'd make it more melodic."

So, I composed a solo and laid it down in one take.

Here's the solo with our backing instruments followed by the isolated, solo-only track:

Listen to STONE COLD SOLO ONLY by Von Herndon on #SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.com/id%3Drobert-h-herndon%252Fstone-cold-solo-only%3Btrack_id%3D488659821

I'm not saying this is a fabulous solo, but I feel that it was more melodic than Blackmore's and it was composed just by humming it...
 
smitty_p said:
This is true, and I think we all are interested in Robert’s situation.

But, I’m always harping on the individual nature of music...and what it means to you.

Your musical journey is not Robert’s journey, and his is not yours...or mine. You should never judge yourself by someone else.

The real criteria is how meaningful the music is to you.
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I was not gauging myself to Robert, just pointing out that the small amount of knowledge didn't really amount to much vs real skills.
My music does bring me to a happy place and that is all that really matters.
 
Many years ago I decided if I didn't have " anything to say " I wasn't going to pick up a guitar! It then had to be lyrical or not at all. Now, I'm trying to play without " thinking " about anything except whatever I feel coming thru the airwaves. Oh, another thing is not to look at the fretboard. That's a rough one! Both these ideas were very hard to swallow but I then come up with stuff I've never played before. It's kinda like daydreaming in school kind of feeling, that's the best way I can describe what I'm trying to do. When I can get there it's very comfortable place to try to stay since it's like a Runners high, if you've ever experienced it. I like to " sit " in the pocket between the drummer and the bass since I can draw inspiration from what they play and the interplay they are trying to create. Everything is a work in progress.
 
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