How much longer will guitars remain popular?

I get your point, but (if I understand you correctly) I’m not sure I entirely agree. Yes, I’ve been playing live for quite a few years and am very cognizant of getting a good sound in the mix. And, I do agree that someone who has never played live may give unhelpful advice or be unaware of what goes into that, but that doesn’t mean all of that player’s input is of no value. Sure, some or much input may be derived from internet sources, versus personal experience, but some of those internet sources may be helpful, in their own right.

However, approaching this from the context of a music forum, I’d rather a bedroom player feel welcome and encouraged, rather than just shut down because he hasn’t reached the status of “Live” player or “Recording” player. Even if some input is, initially, not the best advice, shutting down such a player could be discouraging. I would rather see the more experienced ones come alongside and attempt to guide the person rather than expecting the person to just keep his thoughts to himself.

The conversation this morning between Mitch and myself, specifically targeted "bedroom players" where the C-19 modification in Marshall DSL40's was concerned.
 
moralistic breakdown in society.......wake up..handle ya business....but...nope, everybody has to mess with everybody.....i am public'd out...its sad cause really am into helping others...
Same here bro, and I will continue to do so, until like I had posted before, that when they think they know better, then I walk away!
They will eventually get it but when they want no fast track to get there, my services are no
longer necessary!
Cheers Mitch
 
I believe in inclusivity - there's room for all types. Beginners and bedroom players sometimes don't really understand context beyond their limited frame of reference. That's only natural, and I think that happens in most fields to some extent. They still need and deserve a place to share.

Finding one like this that's free of internet trolls is like an oasis in the desert.

As for advice, we each just need to decide what to listen to and what to ignore. (Which isn't always as simple as it sounds - nowadays people tend to tune out anything that doesn't suit their preconceptions, and it's easy to miss valuable information that way. I'm as guilty of this as anybody.)

With some experience we learn that when it comes to tone, context is everything. What sounds good by itself usually doesn't sound good in a mix and listening to isolated tracks (a wonderful resource in the modern age) of great tones, they mostly don't sound very much as you'd expect.

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There's a staggering variety of choices out there for instrumental sounds and types of music. It's a golden age for gear - more different guitars than ever before, endless effects & amps. The old-timers can remember far more limited choices, when we had to learn to do more with less. While we used to wish desperately for better options, it's easy to ignore how much that forced us to grow as players...

Certainly some music is far less visible in modern media. For instance, there's a persistent rumor that jazz is dying.
Actually there are more playing it than ever, it's just ignored in the media stream.

In these days of overproduced pop pap, "R&B" which has little to do with soul and nothing of the blues, and hiphop all dominating the sales charts, it can be easy to feel like this is the only thing happening.

Yet how many narrow specific subgenres of rock are there now? Every one of them has plenty of bands that sit squarely in that category, even the pretty far-out ones.

In the days of classic rock these subdivisions didn't exist, yet today their bands and releases far outnumber those in the established general rock category.
It's just that fans have to dig for them, or be turned on to them by fellow enthusiasts - again, they don't show up in the mainstream.

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Just as amps and distortion turned guitar into a whole new thing (which many decried, including Leo Fender who hated distortion), musicians are still broadening the scope of what guitars do. Some have gone ambient, others have gone minimalist, worship guitar is a thing now, and even shredding continues to progress. Not to mention the countless players who are looking to go back to the roots, keeping the old-time music not just alive but growing in new directions.

Guitar dying out? Its exclusive dominance may have been challenged, sure. Yet the electric guitar is literally iconic in modern society, an image all will recognize with its own attached lexicon of meaning and implications. Yes, the image is open to ridicule now - that's the flip side of fame.

Still, far more guitars are being made and sold now than in the glory days when electric guitar completely dominated the airwaves. It isn't going anywhere.

"Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein." - Decca A&R rep Dick Rowe, when he turned down The Beatles for a record deal.
 
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I believe in inclusivity - there's room for all types. Beginners and bedroom players sometimes don't really understand context beyond their limited frame of reference. That's only natural, and I think that happens in most fields to some extent. They still need and deserve a place to share.

Finding one like this that's free of internet trolls is like an oasis in the desert.

As for advice, you just need to decide what to listen to and what to ignore. (Which isn't always as simple as it sounds - people tend to tune out anything that doesn't suit their preconceptions, and it's easy to miss valuable information that way. I'm as guilty of this as anyone.)

With some experience we learn that when it comes to tone, context is everything. What sounds good by itself usually doesn't sound good in a mix and listening to isolated tracks (a wonderful resource in the modern age) of great tones, they mostly don't sound very much as you'd expect.

There's a staggering variety of choices out there for instrumental sounds and types of music. It's a golden age for gear - more different guitars than ever before, endless effects & amps. The old-timers can remember far more limited choices, when we had to learn to do more with less. While we used to wish desperately for better options, it's easy to ignore how much that forced us to grow as players...

Certainly some music is far less visible in modern media. For instance, there's a persistent rumor that jazz is dying.
Actually there are more playing it than ever, it's just ignored in the media stream.

And in these days of overproduced pop pap, "R&B" which has little to do with soul and nothing of the blues, and hiphop all dominating the sales charts, it can be easy to feel like this is the only thing happening.

Yet how many narrow specific subgenres of rock are there now? Every one of them has plenty of bands that sit squarely in that category, even the pretty far-out ones.

In the days of classic rock these subdivisions didn't exist, yet today their bands and releases far outnumber those in the established general rock category.
It's just that fans have to dig for them, or be turned on to them by fellow enthusiasts - again, they don't show up in the mainstream.

Just as amps and distortion turned guitar into a whole new thing (which many decried, including Leo Fender who hated distortion), musicians are still broadening the scope of what guitars do. Some have gone ambient, others have gone minimalist, worship guitar is a thing now, and even shredding continues to progress. Not to mention the countless players who are looking to go back to the roots, keeping the old-time music not just alive but growing in new directions.

Guitar dying out? Its exclusive dominance may have been challenged, sure. Yet the electric guitar is literally iconic in modern society, an image all will recognize with its own attached lexicon of meaning and implications. Yes, the image is open to ridicule now - that's the flip side of fame.

Still, far more guitars are being made and sold now than in the glory days when electric guitar completely dominated the airwaves. It isn't going anywhere.

"Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein." - Decca A&R rep Dick Rowe, when he turned down The Beatles for a record deal.
Beautifully said brother, but I shall still stand by my post, I think I have offended no one, and my advice is still there for the taking,
And I don’t think of myself as an expert in any field, but I have researched many different things in my time, and no I have not mastered any of it, but there are many younger players that have learned/and listened to my garble, it the ones who already know everything that I tend to move on from.
And your statement about the oaisis in the desert is spot on, hence the reason many of us are hear.
And will remain here!
Cheers Mitch
 
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The smart ones would have installed a toggle switch :BH: (and no I didn't do the mod....).
Neither did I, the only changes I did where tubes, and only in one, because I had a power tube going south, it would make a bit of noise if you bumped the amp, so I did the pencil eraser trick to track it down, and found it on the first tap, then put a set of Rubies in to it, haven’t needed to do anything else since, but I did install another set of Rubies, because the first set, started to get a little noisy after 2 years, I know another log winded post!
Cheers Mitch
 
Beautifully said brother, but I shall still stand by my post, I think I have offended no one, and my advice is still there for the taking,
And I don’t think of myself as an expert in any field, but I have researched many different things in my time, and no I have not mastered any of it, but there are many younger players that have learned/and listened to my garble, it the ones who already know everything that I tend to move on from.
And your statement about the oaisis in the desert is spot on, hence the reason many of us are hear.
And will remain here!
Cheers Mitch
Hey Mitch, when I said "you need to decide." I meant it in the sense of "one needs to decide." Didn't mean to sound as if I disagreed with your post upthread, though I can see how it could sound that way. Have had my fill - and then some - of authoritative-sounding advice from those with far less experience than I.
Edited my post to read, "We each just need to decide what to listen to and what to ignore."
 
Hey Mitch, when I said "you need to decide." I meant it in the sense of "one needs to decide." Didn't mean to sound as if I disagreed with your post upthread, though I can see how it could sound that way. Have had my fill - and then some - of authoritative-sounding advice from those with far less experience than I.
Edited my post to read, "We each just need to decide what to listen to and what to ignore."
No harm no foul bro, just trying to not be that troll that we do our best to avoid!
Cheers Mitch
 
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