PCB In Gibsons:

eSGEe said:
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THIS--- is everything a guitar is should be and ever needs to be!

----now I ask in all honor to this lovely instrument which I have mentioned on several occasions as being AWESOME!---
Does it have a pcb board?????

I am not CRAPPING on Gibsons Biddy--- I am crapping on PCB boards--- thats all :)
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"Does it have a pcb board?????"
Yes, it does. And you are always Gibson bashing. I never said anything about used guitars, but since you mention it and seem to crave pain, I paid $250 for the cherry/ebony SG with a hard case and $400 for Five Moons with ohsc and 100 watt Peavey bass amp. You asked for it. Now, where is that Rondo for which I'm going to want throw them over? Uh-huh! I can't actually recall what I paid for the '13 LPJ new in '14, but $359 sounds right. I love cheap guitars and automation makes them usually playable. It does not, however, make them first cabin. And of course, each guitar must be judged for its own merits.
 
frankblade said:
Not anymore you can stop in any Buckee's and see that ! My Buddy that's head of maintenance in some condo's actually palces game cameras
to catch the dog and cat pooh Offender's PICK UP THE POO OR BE FINED AND FLOOGED and the City of Houston considers dog pooh a Bio hazrd
and has the same public park and there are actualy Park police assigned Tp POOP patrol.
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Goldmember stops at Buc-Ee's every time he drives through New Braunfels!

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Biddlin said:
And of course, each guitar must be judged for its own merits.
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TRue dat!!!
Biddlin said:
I never said anything about used guitars
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exactly---no you didnt ---- and drive my point even harder---- you said (with your bald guy graphic) I had to spend over 500 to get a good guitar----but you just list all the coveted GOOD Gibsons you own that DIDNT COST anywhere near that---- you sir just bit yourself in your own arse--
So CAN I get a good guitar for under 500 or not?? you tongue with forked speak--
 
eSGEe said:
...arse...
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Y'know...I'm not the cussin' type, but I Googled that word just to see what I'd find...

"Word Origin and History for arse
n.
"buttocks," Old English ærs "tail, rump," from Proto-Germanic *arsoz (cf.Old Saxon, Old High German, Old Norse ars, Middle Dutch ærs, GermanArsch "buttock"), cognate with Greek orros "tail, rump, base of the spine,"Hittite arrash, Armenian or "buttock," Old Irish err "tail."'"

Edu-ma-cation can be fun!
 
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eSGEe said:
TRue dat!!!

exactly---no you didnt ---- and drive my point even harder---- you said (with your bald guy graphic) I had to spend over 500 to get a good guitar----but you just list all the coveted GOOD Gibsons you own that DIDNT COST anywhere near that---- you sir just bit yourself in your own arse--
So CAN I get a good guitar for under 500 or not?? you tongue with forked speak--
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You're the only one hung up on price. My only hard line is, Show me the SX, or whatever Rondo brand, guitar that I will trade any of my Gibsons for. You can't and you wouldn't make that trade either. It's just bluster and hyperbole.
 
--- I am just messin with you ---- more like bait and master uhm ba------oh---my.....
--you dont like SX or Rondo-- got it--- you dont have to--

I dont like the PC boards----- personal taste---I dont HAVE TO---

I do like Gibsons -- certain Gibsons ---- I HAVE a Gibson (2 if ya count the Spirit) that I like very very much and play more than any other guitar I own--- and I wouldnt trade it for a Rondo-- your RIGHT--

I really just feel GIBSON could do BETTER (check out Grants posts of his recent purchase from the "G") Im not MAKING the stuff up--
BUT ---I also feel Harley-- Ford and lots of other American Companies COULD DO BETTER ---including the one I work for.......

Bluster and Hyperbole perhaps.......but I look GOOOOD DOing it ;)


---and smitty laughed out loud at least twice----
 
One of my frequently-used phrases is, "Crap in a bucket."

Back when I had a dog...she was a good dog...except for when she acted....like a dog....I picked up after her in the yard. Afterwards...I'd literally have...crap in a bucket.
 
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<<<<<<<<<<<< has crapped in a bucket, peed in a cup, umm soiled me britches and wet the bed.

Wait a minute, I might get banned for soilin the forum. I better whisper the above.
 
Biddlin said:
Y'all need to work on that readin' comprehension, son. I'm considering a Rondo solid body at the moment, but I can't seem to find any space for it. I'd also like a Epiphone Riviera custom, still, no room........
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AWH CRAP--------I am supposed to read ALL the words-------- HELL this is going to be like work or something now!

WHY you want a Rondo???? -- I mean Seriously the Hot ROd Lincoln Trumps all dont it???
 
I wish i could find one of those beasties (yes I know it will be more than 500.00) ;)
 
Raiyn said:
I'm not opposed to PCBs, but for me I'd want tighter tolerances to spec, and the HP LP dip switch wiring.
You'd need two boards per model (in theory), the Gibbo preferred 300k and the (optional accessory) everyone else preferred 500k version. A couple molex connections and a couple nuts done up and it's a new axe. EZ PZ and nobody gets burnt. Heck, go one better and put it in a shielded housing and call it a day.

I'd love to get my hands on such a rig.
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50s Style Wiring refers to how most Gibson Les Paul;s in the 1950s had their volume and tone pots connected. Most people who like this wiring agree that more treble is retained when you roll the volume back. The main difference between modern and 50s wiring is what lug of the volume pot the capacitor (cap) wire from the tone pot is connected to. Generally, it can be expected that a stock modern guitar has the tone cap connected to the outside lug of the volume pot whereas the 50s vintage guitar would have its tone cap connected to the middle lug.

It is an over-simplication to think of the 50s mod in terms of just moving the cap from one lug to another. The essence of 50s wiring involves connecting the cap to the output of the pot instead of to the input of the pot. Usually, the output comes from the middle lug and the input goes into an outside lug. There are times, however, when this arrangement is not used. In such instances, the "swap from the outside to the middle" simplification will not provide 50s style wiring.

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The old PIO capacitors also changed their value with age, but is that really a reason to want them???

My 59 Les Paul squealed like a pig on a small stage at high volumes....Now, it's where it belongs, in a glass case....
 
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smitty_p said:
Just sayin', Gibby could do the same thing.
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I like those "personality" cards. I think they did make a prototype Les Paul with something similar in '13 or '14, but abandoned it, when they saw the writing on the wall. The fact is, Americans, who make up the biggest portion of Gibson's customer base are Luddites. Someone said it the other day, "Perception is reality." If Joey Thumbledink says "Point to point is better, because it's time tested." the fact that all technical industries, like aerospace and medical , embrace the printed circuit board and have for decades, is irrelevant.
 
Biddlin said:
I like those "personality" cards. I think they did make a prototype Les Paul with something similar in '13 or '14, but abandoned it, when they saw the writing on the wall. The fact is, Americans, who make up the biggest portion of Gibson's customer base are Luddites. Someone said it the other day, "Perception is reality." If Joey Thumbledink says "Point to point is better, because it's time tested." the fact that all technical industries, like aerospace and medical , embrace the printed circuit board and have for decades, is irrelevant.
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Hmmmmmm....not saying the PCB isn't a great cost cutting method of construction, but I prefer the basic wiring to a PCB for repairability....
 
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