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The world is a stage and we are all players in this production called life. Each one of us has our own individual life with our own beliefs. Some of us believe in ghosts. Some of us believe in UFOs. Some of us believe in reincarnation. There are many things in life to believe in, many people do, many people do not. This is an area where we can talk about other things we find of interest in life that may be a bit off the beaten path of normality. Here we can share our experiences, interests and feasibility of these topics without fear of being called crazy. This IS NOT a room to flame your fellow members. So let's play nicely and let the ghost and space ships fly!
 
Don't make the mistake of thinking the world is a stage and we are players. The world is NOT a stage and we are NOT players. This is real life we are dealing with, and it is hard enough to meet it on those terms without inventing further complication.
 
DonP said:
Don't make the mistake of thinking the world is a stage and we are players. The world is NOT a stage and we are NOT players. This is real life we are dealing with, and it is hard enough to meet it on those terms without inventing further complication.
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For a moment, I thought this may be the perfect place for reintroduce our old debate about the phrase "perception is reality", until it dawned on me that I do not even like that concept anymore. Rather, I prefer to say that one's perceptions largely define one's own reality.
 
RVA said:
For a moment, I thought this may be the perfect place for reintroduce our old debate about the phrase "perception is reality", until it dawned on me that I do not even like that concept anymore. Rather, I prefer to say that one's perceptions largely define one's own reality.
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Nope, I won't have any of that hard solipsism. Reality is objective - it exists whether we perceive it or not. To make good decisions in life, our objective needs to be to make our internal model of reality match as closely as possible to actual reality. The further e deviate from it, the worse are going to be our decisions.
 
DonP said:
internal model of reality match as closely as possible to actual reality. The further e deviate from it, the worse are going to be our decisions.
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Apples and oranges. There are no feelings, emotions, passions or whatever else you call those things that make up what it us to be self aware in the physical world. This reminds me of the conversations Spock and Catpain Kirk used to have! However, from what I know of you, you seek to experience and enhance these things, not mute them.

Anyway, "reality" may be over rated. It is better to live your truth than an alleged universal one. What we think we know today as fact is replaced by new data tomorrow, so is basing your life choices on that data any more certain?
 
RVA said:
Apples and oranges. There are no feelings, emotions, passions or whatever else you call those things that make up what it us to be self aware in the physical world. This reminds me of the conversations Spock and Catpain Kirk used to have! However, from what I know of you, you seek to experience and enhance these things, not mute them.

Anyway, "reality" may be over rated. It is better to live your truth than an alleged universal one. What we think we know today as fact is replaced by new data tomorrow, so is basing your life choices on that data any more certain?
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When you live your own "truth" while ignoring objective reality, you find yourself writing cheques you can't cash - maybe even literally. I mean, I could live in a "reality" in which I have won the Euromillions lottery. That would be great for a few days until actual reality bites and I find myself in court or even jail for fraud.

Nope. Reality is not over-rated. It is, in fact all we have and the better we deal with it, the better off we are.
 
DonP said:
When you live your own "truth" while ignoring objective reality, you find yourself writing cheques you can't cash - maybe even literally. I mean, I could live in a "reality" in which I have won the Euromillions lottery. That would be great for a few days until actual reality bites and I find myself in court or even jail for fraud.

Nope. Reality is not over-rated. It is, in fact all we have and the better we deal with it, the better off we are.
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The irony is that we likely function in life in a very similar way, we just perceive how we approach it very differently. See what I mean!?
 
DonP said:
When you live your own "truth" while ignoring objective reality, you find yourself writing cheques you can't cash - maybe even literally. I mean, I could live in a "reality" in which I have won the Euromillions lottery. That would be great for a few days until actual reality bites and I find myself in court or even jail for fraud.

Nope. Reality is not over-rated. It is, in fact all we have and the better we deal with it, the better off we are.
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I thought about this a little more. While physics as we know it can be defined as reality, checks and payment are an abstract concept, not reality. Prison walls and bullets, however, take us back to the reality of physics.

I feel...existential!
 
RVA said:
I thought about this a little more. While physics as we know it can be defined as reality, checks and payment are an abstract concept, not reality. Prison walls and bullets, however, take us back to the reality of physics.

I feel...existential!
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Checks and payment may be an abstract concept at the initial moment, but they very rapidly coalesce into the hardest of reality. Far better to treat them as real from the start.
 
Reason and logic have become underrated. Most every problem can be solved with a logical deduction. If you rob someone, kill other than in self-defense, lie, cheat on an exam or commit other subversive behaviors, logic would dictate that these are wrong actions and negative repercussions will follow.

We didn't have warning messages stamped into the barrel of a firearm when I was a kid because we knew not to point it at others. Everyone at my high school had hunting rifles and shotguns - loaded - and stored openly in racks visible through the back window of our trucks, and yet we never had a school shooting.

What changed??? The people have changed...

These days, it is apparently en-vogue to blame your actions on other people or on negative circumstances in your life, or blame alcohol for your poor judgment, as if this somehow exonerates you from culpability.

I also see an incredible one-sided tendency in our society. One group demands that a certain sect be allowed a particular freedom or action, even if it encroaches upon others...and yet that same group refuses to give any other group the same consideration.

I don't need the Code of Hanaraubi to tell me a negative action will produce consequences, or a warning label on an electric grille telling me its not wise to touch hot objects.

Unbelievable...
 
Robert Herndon said:
Reason and logic have become underrated. Most every problem can be solved with a logical deduction. If you rob someone, kill other than in self-defense, lie, cheat on an exam or commit other subversive behaviors, logic would dictate that these are wrong actions and negative repercussions will follow.

We didn't have warning messages stamped into the barrel of a firearm when I was a kid because we knew not to point it at others. Everyone at my high school had hunting rifles and shotguns - loaded - and stored openly in racks visible through the back window of our trucks, and yet we never had a school shooting.

What changed??? The people have changed...

These days, it is apparently en-vogue to blame your actions on other people or on negative circumstances in your life, or blame alcohol for your poor judgment, as if this somehow exonerates you from culpability.

I also see an incredible one-sided tendency in our society. One group demands that a certain sect be allowed a particular freedom or action, even if it encroaches upon others...and yet that same group refuses to give any other group the same consideration.

I don't need the Code of Hanaraubi to tell me a negative action will produce consequences, or a warning label on an electric grille telling me its not wise to touch hot objects.

Unbelievable...
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This is the age of whining entitlement. I learned while working in the poorest parts of the third world that there are really no such things as rights - they are all privileges. Similarly there are no necessities - they are all luxuries. The only right that can't be denied you is the right to die.
 
DonP said:
Is stuff happening that you can't explain?
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I'll give you the short version, we have I believe a ghost cat. I have seen it several times and so has my wife. Also we have a big rubber ball the dog plays with and it was in the bedroom down the hall one day and I was at my computer when I seen something move from the corner of my eye. It was the ball. No big deal I thought maybe the dog moved it, so I put it back in the bedroom so we wouldn't trip over it. It moved back on its own because the dog was asleep under the planket on my wifes chair. This happened 4 times in one day. I even put shoes around it to block it, GUESS WHAT..... How should we put this? I chit you not folks....
 
Truss_rod said:
I'll give you the short version, we have I believe a ghost cat. I have seen it several times and so has my wife. Also we have a big rubber ball the dog plays with and it was in the bedroom down the hall one day and I was at my computer when I seen something move from the corner of my eye. It was the ball. No big deal I thought maybe the dog moved it, so I put it back in the bedroom so we wouldn't trip over it. It moved back on its own because the dog was asleep under the planket on my wifes chair. This happened 4 times in one day. I even put shoes around it to block it, GUESS WHAT..... How should we put this? I chit you not folks....
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What does the cat look like?
 
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