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SG John

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This past Friday night, we had a birthday bash for the bass player I normally play with. He turned 50, and we had a fun jam with some of his other musician friends I had never met before. As were jamming, some different discussions came and went as we were playing. Since it was a surprise party, his wife did not tell me to bring my guitar. But she did mention it to one of the other guys it would be OK to bring one. I wish I brought some stuff along to make it more fun.

As we were playing, and swapping gear, the only amp we could use was my '64 Fender Bandmaster that I was storing there. I had all my Marshall, Hiwatt, and DST stuff at my house because we haven't been playing much. It was soon after that Tom actually made reference to my playing style as opposed to the other guy's. He is from a slightly different camp regarding controls as I am, as I'm slightly older (and it seems to be a thing where younger players don't seem to use volume knobs on guitars. I could be wrong). His guitar volume was immediately set to ten, then he tweek'd my amp to get it where he liked it. When I played it (it was a Mex. Fender Strat with various Duncan Humbuckers with inconsistent height adjustments), I rolled the volume down to seven, and made all the adjustments to the amp as I liked it. I got the best sounds out of the neck pick up.

So as we were playing, My friend Tom kept mentioning to his friend about how I always use my controls, and I'm more of a "finesse" player looking for the right sounds for songs. I was happy to hear that he noticed I do that, and that he was emphasizing that to his friend. I know that for me, it was a direct result of always playing in a three piece original band, and having to always provide very colorful palettes to make the songs work. As I was later thinking about it, I was also thinking about how different discussions around the forums float about different sounds, tones, changing pickups, capacitors, tubes, tone stack capacitors, and other stuff.

As I was thinking of that stuff, I was wondering how other people attack their initial frame of reference. I was taught in the late seventies that you set the guitar volume about 6-7 on the neck pickup, and the tone about 8-9. Then you get the amp at the volume you like. After you bring each amp tone pot to where you have that noticeable hump in the sound. After that, you fine tune the amp's tone pots a bit. Once you've done that, you have a smokin' guitar sound, that you can roll up the volume and get some bite. You can also roll back to five, and not lose any power but clean the sound up real nice. When you flick the selector switch to the neck pickup, you get a nice, nasty bite to it.

Is that still a common frame of reference for players? I often hear of no one ever taking their guitar volume off of 10. Also, more people are reliant on pedals, or modules or other modeling type stuff.

So, as a fun point of discussion, where are you in the spectrum? What is your starting point? I know there are a couple of guys here in the same frame of mind as me. I'd also like to know how other folks are setting up their volume and tone stages from the guitar to the amp, pre-pedal wise to reach Nirvana.
 
I’ve become accustomed to a similar method to yours over the years. Growing up, I had not been exposed to this method....everyone I knew played with the guitar at full tilt, and used pedals to bring the noise to full driven proportions. This is still the case in my current band....though I’ve been preaching the merits of actually using the control knobs on their guitars for something other than muting. It seems to be sinking in a bit lately too. It still seems to devolve in to the old habits though.
 
I set the amp to a nice crunch with my guitar volume around five or six. If it’s two humbuckers I usually have the neck tone on ten and the bridge around six or seven. If I lower the guitar volume I have a nice clean sound. Raise it and I get an overdriven sound. This doesn’t work for some amps. I like 15 to 20 watt tube amps because at reasonable gig levels I can get the power tubes working. I like a combination of a little preamp gain with the power tubes working hard. Some amps are way too loud for that setup so I have to play with both the guitar and amp controls until I find a happy place.
 
SG John,

I take a very similar approach to you. I usually don't start setting up with the volume at 7, though. I usually start somewhat higher, around 8 to 8 1/2, though you have me intrigued. I think I'm going to explore that!

I'll often step on a clean boost for that extra push. I do this because it is quicker than reaching for the guitar's volume knob, it doesn't require me to interrupt my playing to engage it, and when I disengage it the volume will be right back where it was.

Otherwise, I'm much the same. In spite of the pedals, I do make frequent use of the guitar's controls throughout a song and performance. Even though I have several pedals on my board, I try to use them judiciously and sparingly.

I will say, though, I do use a powered volume pedal in my effects loop to set overall volume. This is very good for doing swells and bringing the volume down with minimal effect on tone. I find it cumbersome to try to use the guitar's volume knob for swells. I feel I have more control with a volume pedal, so I use that.

Anyway, when I first started playing, I was a "set it to 10" type of player. As time went on, I discovered the advantage of the guitar's controls and how much they can affect your sound.
 
I’ve become accustomed to a similar method to yours over the years. Growing up, I had not been exposed to this method....everyone I knew played with the guitar at full tilt, and used pedals to bring the noise to full driven proportions. This is still the case in my current band....though I’ve been preaching the merits of actually using the control knobs on their guitars for something other than muting. It seems to be sinking in a bit lately too. It still seems to devolve in to the old habits though.

I use the .018uf and 0.0.01uf tone caps exclusively in all but one of my guitars, and they make a tone control more like a fine tuner. And yet, it's rare that I roll off anything for the music that we play in this band.

In the studio where I work, it's common for volume and tone to be rolled off to suit engineer's taste, so I am familiar with the practice.
 
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