4 dead in fiery crash

Session 5

Session 5

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Like I have always said, I will never buy electric vehicles. Can fires happen with ice vehicles sure they can. I know about Lithium Ion battery technology. What a terrible scene this had to be, my heart goes out to that 1 good Samaritan who was able to pull one body from the car .
 
Session 5 said:
Like I have always said, I will never buy electric vehicles. Can fires happen with ice vehicles sure they can. I know about Lithium Ion battery technology. What a terrible scene this had to be, my heart goes out to that 1 good Samaritan who was able to pull one body from the car .
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Thing is. It didn’t burst into flames while they were driving. Sounds like speed and recklessness was involved. While tragic…. One can’t really blame the car because it crashed. As you said. Even gas powered cars can catch fire.

That said. Gas powered cars seldom catch fire just sitting minding their own business. It does seem to be something that’s happening too often with EVs.
 
iblive said:
Thing is. It didn’t burst into flames while they were driving. Sounds like speed and recklessness was involved. While tragic…. One can’t really blame the car because it crashed. As you said. Even gas powered cars can catch fire.

That said. Gas powered cars seldom catch fire just sitting minding their own business. It does seem to be something that’s happening too often with EVs.
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Lithium Ion batteries do not like swings, in temperature change. And they don't like to be bumped. They don't have to be hit at a high rate of speed to catch fire or explode. Not even a hard hit, can cause them to short out. They can even explode when charging at a high rate of charge or even the normal charge rate. That's why you are not to charge them without being there.

We have seen them catch fire and explode using these batteries in R/C aircraft. Just sitting inside an R/C aircraft. a person saw smoke within seconds burst into flames.

The Toronto transit has now banned e-bikes, from travelling on the transit system due to fires they have had on subway cars.

You will see more problems as time goes on rest assured. The weight of the vehicles are also heavier, that could cause more severe damage for occupants in accidents .. This is another story in itself.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
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Session 5 said:
Lithium Ion batteries do not like swings, in temperature change. And they don't like to be bumped. They don't have to be hit at a high rate of speed to catch fire or explode. Not even a hard hit, can cause them to short out. They can even explode when charging at a high rate of charge or even the normal charge rate. That's why you are not to charge them without being there.

We have seen them catch fire and explode using these batteries in R/C aircraft. Just sitting inside an R/C aircraft. a person saw smoke within seconds burst into flames.

The Toronto transit has now banned e-bikes, from travelling on the transit system due to fires they have had on subway cars.

You will see more problems as time goes on rest assured. The weight of the vehicles are also heavier, that could cause more severe damage for occupants in accidents .. This is another story in itself.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.
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I’ve never discounted that EVs are without issues. I’ve pointed out many myself. My only point was…. We wouldn’t be talking about 4 souls in the past tense had the driver not been reckless. And from the report. Driving too fast. Lost control and crashed. In that respect, the fault is with the driver not the car.
 
One must remember the old Ford pickups with the gas tank in the cab, ready to burst and spray the occupants with gasoline after a minor crash.
The problem “was” the bad driving, not the battery. Wave a lit match above some gasoline and above a battery, see what happens.
That being said, there certainly is an issue with the safety of the batteries. As for these electric bicycles etc, I think it’s just companies trying to make a quick buck with this new fad without doing proper research

They were speeding and lost control, independent of the battery. It was midnight, alcohol was most likely involved, another combustible fuel.
None of them was able to get out of the car due to the severity of the crash.
What makes you think that gasoline would not have caught fire?
Let’s call it what it is , speeding drunk, lost control, only one survived
 
Session 5 said:
Like I have always said, I will never buy electric vehicles. Can fires happen with ice vehicles sure they can. I know about Lithium Ion battery technology. What a terrible scene this had to be, my heart goes out to that 1 good Samaritan who was able to pull one body from the car .
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I think it's more like
a passenger car that accelerates 0-60 MPH in 2.5 seconds.

Any drunk idiot can crash a car into concrete, then blame the batteries. :pound-hand:

The acceleration of electric cars should be limited to 0-60 MPH in 6 seconds.
The maximum speed of an electric car should be limited to 70 MPH.

They build a street car that's faster than a top-fuel dragster, what the frigge'n duck do they expect?
 
Here electric scooters and ebikes are prohibited on public transport such as the subway, train or bus because there have been fires involving them.


 
67plexi said:
I enjoy my Lithium monthly dividends
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The lithium battery in my phone seems to come in handy. And you’re welcome for contributing to your dividends.

I like dividends. I used to have stock in RPM Inc. They have/had their fingers in a lot of product. Like Rusto-Olium Paint. Walker mufflers. Monroe shocks. Paid decent dividends. Accumulated a couple hundred shares. Sold about 5 years ago….. don’t remember price. $20 something. Maybe a bit more. Made money. Today it’s selling for $128. Major duh.
 
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iblive said:
The lithium battery in my phone seems to come in handy. And you’re welcome for contributing to your dividends.

I like dividends. I used to have stock in RPM Inc. They have/had their fingers in a lot of product. Like Rusto-Olium Paint. Walker mufflers. Monroe shocks. Paid decent dividends. Accumulated a couple hundred shares. Sold about 5 years ago….. don’t remember price. $20 something. Maybe a bit more. Made money. Today it’s selling for $128. Major duh.
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My dividends are generated from mineral rights not stocks
 
The manufacturing process of an EV (including rare earth metal mining, circuit board manufacturing and the production of the batteries) causes more damage to the environment than a well-maintained ICE motor will have throughout the life of the vehicle…

And then, when the vehicle (and it’s components) can no longer be recycled, it causes more damage to the environment than that same ICE vehicle.
 
BATTERIES Lithium batteries have become extremely popular for powering control and power systems in models because of their high-energy density compared with earlier battery technologies. With high energy comes increased risk in use. The principle risk is fire, which can result from improper charging, crash damage, or shorting the batteries.All Lithium battery vendors warn customers of this danger and recommend extreme caution in their use. However, many fires have resulted from the misuse of Lithium Polymer (LiPo) batteries, leading to the loss of models and automobiles. Other property, such as homes, garages, and workshops, have also burned. A Lithium battery fire burns explosively at several thousand degrees and is an excellent initiator for ancillary fires. Fire is caused by contact between Lithium and oxygen in the air. It needs no other source of ignition or fuel to start. T he following is recommended for Lithium batteries to preclude ancillary fires:

Store and charge in a fireproof container—never in your model. • Charge in a protected area that is devoid of combustibles. • In the event of damage from crashes, etc., carefully move the battery pack to a safe place for at least a half hour to observe. Physically damaged cells can erupt into f lames. After sufficient time to ensure safety, the cells should be discarded in accordance with the instructions that come with the batteries. Never attempt to charge a cell with physical damage, regardless of how slight. • Always use chargers designed for the specific purpose; it’s preferable to have a fixed setting for your particular pack. Many fires occur while using selectable/adjustable chargers that are improperly set. Never attempt to charge Lithium cells with a charger that is not specifically designed for Lithium cells! Never use chargers that are specifically designed for NiCd batteries. • It is strongly recommended that you use charging systems that monitor, control, and balance the charge state of each cell in the pack. Unbalanced cells can lead to disaster if the system permits a single cell in the pack to be overcharged. This means that the charging system must provide charge cessation as each cell reaches the proper voltage. If the batteries show any sign of swelling, discontinue charging and move them to a safe place— outside. They could erupt into flames.
 
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