Anyone interested in another TTR community "Happening?"

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TVvoodoo

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I've suddenly found a little too much extra time on my hands and want to give back to The Tone Rooms... I'm currently roughly fleshing out a new "game" for lack of a better term. Plus, I'm itchin' to make and hear more new/original TTR music and/or creative expression. Let's see if we can't spice TTR up a little together... naw, I know we can!

If you've enjoyed the Game of Toanz or RiffMasters TTR forum events from past years (whether watching or taking part), it'll be in a similar vein, but different. Above all I want it to be super fun, inclusive, bring us together and boost this amazing community.

This one will NOT be points-based, no winners or losers... but I think there needs to be regular votes/feedback opportunities if only so participants and watchers can enjoy ratings, critique, commentary and friendly encouragement. However you'll basically be pitted 100% against yourselves.

To foster musical fellowship, I'm hoping to build in mandatory random collab pairings between game-players (as in-depth or minimal as you each may choose, depending on the stage).

There will be presentation deadlines, as chapters are required, 6 weeks at a time... so it will be a commitment. However, if a stage or two get missed it's only going to take away from your own final finished product.

At the end of it all it's my hope participants will come away with a somewhat fully-produced and personalized concept "album" they may be proud of... put your thinking caps on!

You'll likely learn a bunch of stuff, have many a laugh, be pushed creatively and get to know your brothers and sisters way better along the way.

DAW / recording skills will be very useful but I'd Iike to also gauge opinion on the possible use of AI to allow wider participation.

Many like myself worry how we cannot sing well. I believe it's now possible to upload recorded music into AI sites and have lyrics sung via a generated AI voice though it may still be a bit clunky... I do plan to explore this more in-depth though. In fact, for the creatively inclined, but not fully confident in musical, lyrical or production abilities? Perhaps this "happening" might welcome ALL types of AI usage up to and including full lyric, music and recording production. I think any such useage will be required to be labelled if not plainly evident.

It's now 100% ripe for YOUR discussion here my friends. The reason I bring AI up is the times they are a-changing, and quickly. As I understand it the current #1 charting country song happens to be an AI creation. Likely conjured by someone (or a team of folks) rather musically-inclined.

I personally enjoyed a toe dip in those waters myself last year via Suno and as wrong as it may seem, I found the experience rather fun and somewhat creatively empowering, as fake as it is. I also believe it's much "improved" since I toyed with it a bit about a year ago.

Deeply against feeding the AI? Perfectly OK. You'll simply be left to source singers or perform your own "spoken word" Leonard Cohen style lyrics. Or, you can collaborate or build out an instrumental concept album and still be proud as punch!

Ultimately, I hope to provide a fun and rewarding event template here. One that's non-discriminatory within which we can share and enjoy ways to express ourselves using whatever available tools... We all have a keen interest in music here and a wide range of skillsets. Fortunately there's lots of new cool tools available.

This is the place and time to discuss... and/or toss your hat into the ring early if you wish. I'm aiming for a Dec. start. Please understand these events take a deep commitment to "host."

Whattaya say TTR?
 
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I don't even understand the question.

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@PLX define what you mean by "clip" and, it would be participants choice. However, I don't want to see the situation arise where any creation is belittled (unless by the submitter's own hand), if (or more BECAUSE) AI was involved.
 
I have to move the music part to AI next this is one of 24 songs I wrote this year


once was a time when cloven hoof's ruled the world

now that time has passed and gone

yesterday's will never be again

it's just now that matters son


people are strange in this time were in

now it's to late for every one


Change has been here since the beginning

cloven hoof's have come and gone

they just ran through the woods

not a care simple as that


Now the clock has started their tale

unlike the man on the moon


once was a time when cloven hoof's ruled the world

now that time has passed and gone

yesterday's will never be again

it's just now that matters son


people are strange in this time were in

now it's to late for every one
 
So once again:

1. Not a competition
2. It's about songs, that will collect into a (YOUR) concept with surprises along the way too
3. Submitted by participants on a schedule, with some rough direction
4. Possibly with collabs of other participants, and/or artificial intelligence (now under discussion).
5. Constructive critique without shaming or trolling.

It's supposed to be fun.

All of you are 100% welcome to create your masterpieces without any framework at any time... but you likely won't. I will simply try to provide you the motivation to get moving and keep moving. It's group therapy.

Or, you can just watch, do nothing at all or continue what you're already doing if that's getting your musical rocks off.

I understand the reluctance about AI. This is why I bring it up. I present the idea because it feel it may vastly open the playing field for the adventurous and open-minded who feel nervous about particular skills

But yes, if it so happens you actually DO manage to create something that rivals "The Wall" with the help of AI, I'm guessing you will still feel generally happier than Roger Waters does, if not near as wealthy.
 
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dmatthews said:
Not to be a Debbie Downer, but I do not trust the owners/curators of the AI databases.
So... I have never used it, and I will not for the foreseeable future.
This in no way should be construed to insinuate that others should not imbibe... :)
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What don't you trust? They'll may steal all the valuable artistc pearls you've been hoarding?

I think I do understand that...

At my age, I figure a few laughs and sharing is likely the best and only value I'll ever see from my musical "treasures"
 
DirtySteve said:
I try to avoid AI, it'll be the death of music as we know it.
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Same answer 40 years later....

Our shows are getting so much incredible response this past gigging season. Why

Marshall right - Ampeg left -- drums in the middle & singer in the PA

Since I get so set up the PA, i only bring on bands that bring their amps

I provide mic for the cabs, and a mic & a lil reverb for the singer. rest is on your work ethic to get to the point you can play live effectively. original music you wrote, practiced many hours, REAL is honest and from the heart..AI ..someone else programed in waht you are supposed to be..........
 
I do understand what are you looking to do. Getting people playing is a great thing. We all have our preferences and no one is right or wrong. Enjoyment is the key factor !

Music is so personnel at times when writing, even keeping a band together is very difficult, life, it cycles up and down and our music, or mine, anyways seems to follow it and respond artistically in the here & now.

I was watching David Gilmore on Beato, To hear him say he has NEVER played the solo to comfortably numb correctly ever, has helped me so much. He said you react to the emotion at the time. yes you are in the ball park, but moods, tempo, whatever is going on. Music is a live reactive thing in a band. The studio is the creation pit, can you capture your musical idea.
 
Yessir @BFT Gibson a live band situation is something few of us enjoy, (or endure).

How many TTR roomies feel confident you can craft semi-cohesive lyrics into a song? 4/10?

How many can take provided lyrics, put 'em to music, then arrange into song form? A slightly different 4/10, I think. 2/10 might feel confident in doing it.

How many reading this can complete a reasonably good recording/production job? 4/10?

Now, who here can do all of the above ten times in a row riding a theme inside a year?

This is why I suggest AI as a "helper." This event concept will be no easy challenge. If you can do it without AI we may end up proclaiming you King of TTR
Ultimately I'm hoping to break boundaries with an exercise that's freeing and fun for ALL who dare try, guilt free, for exploration and discussion.

From my limited experience, with AI everyone here could create something interesting they might even be a little proud of, without suffering deep frustration via creative and technical skill blocks. It's well-proven anyone is now able to initiate AI "slop" with a few clicks. However, the musically inclined seem able to do much better with these tools.
You won't be forced to use digital help. I do believe there'll be situations where you may be VERY glad it's there when you need it... in fact, this entire concept would probably die inside three rounds without it.

Just offering to help stir, guide and encourage members willing to attempt a rather ambitious personal project, sharing the process collectively.
 
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