Thank you, you beautiful bastard!!!

Yargnad said:
I'm not knocking your technique at all. Just giving you another way to approach it. A lot of things will sound good until you AB compare it to a different way of doing it. The hard left and right pan has become popular again but without a lot of people realizing the crossover effect involved in the classic recordings which they're trying to emulate. I'm always looking for better ways to do things.

For example, even though I've been doing this for over 20 years now, I've just come around to mixing my electronic tracks down using mid-side (M/S) encoding, also known as joint stereo. Basically the left track has all the mono information, and the right track has only the difference data between the left and right on the stereo bus. This has the benefit of sounding much better when listening to a track on a phone or Alexa or Google speaker which are usually only mono. These devices will default to the Left channel which is a mono mixdown without phase issues. If you were listening to a recording that was hard panned left and right, you may be missing everything in the right channel depending on the source encoding and how that particular device collapses audio down to mono. This technique was invented to handle the transition from mono to stereo recordings on records, so it's been around a very long time.

Those engineers were incredibly smart for being able to come up with this to handle being able to play stereo records on mono turntables and vice versa; the side to side motion of the needle is the left channel and the up and down motion is the right channel. Since mono record player needles only move side to side they only played the left (mono) channel. Stereo record player needles also move up and down to receive the right (difference) channel data and all of this is fed through a RIAA preamp which does the M/S decoding back into normal stereo.

This technique is also the basis of Dolby's Prologic encoding, except it's being done with five channels instead of two. I am only just now coming around to this and I wish I had known it since the beginning. That's basically the reason for me explaining how I do things. Just a different flavor for you to savor.
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Yarg, what you said above blew my mind, especially about the needle movements. WOAH heavy SHizzz..

As I was reading you talking about hard left, hard right pan, I could not help but think of what my mind hears as you describe this phenomenon.

 
HorY SHIDTH, HORY SHIDTH,,,,,,,, SOme good playing there on that track.

Let me ask, OK who is playing what? I mean Drums, Bass, Chuggy guitar and Lead guitar?
I have to say, I liked a whole lot about the arrangement and the playing.

SO give me the low down.
Then the Low down on the Recording Program, equipment, etc that this Grail of a Manual is for,,,, as I read pages 2-4
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
HorY SHIDTH, HORY SHIDTH,,,,,,,, SOme good playing there on that track.

Let me ask, OK who is playing what? I mean Drums, Bass, Chuggy guitar and Lead guitar?
I have to say, I liked a whole lot about the arrangement and the playing.

SO give me the low down.
Then the Low down on the Recording Program, equipment, etc that this Grail of a Manual is for,,,, as I read pages 2-4
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These guys are good. And good fun.... :dood: :cheers:
 
Thatbastarddon said:
That’s better...
it was the emulated out of the JJ Jr.....
I was afraid it was some random amp sim, after you typed that “straight in” thing...
....mine....of course...was completely fake...Kemper to interface... ;)
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SM57 close mic'ed in front of the upper right 75 in my '60A, right on the edge of the cap ....
Tascam TM80 midroom....

Guitar goes straight into amp input........always lol
 
mcblink said:
SM57 directly in front of the upper right 75 in my '60A
Tascam TM80 midroom....

Guitar goes straight into amp input........always lol
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Hahahahaha! @BFT Gibson learned quickly, with me, to list the recording chains when he posted stuff...
I’m always curious...I’m gonna ask...it’s just easier to post...amp, mic(and position, roughly...preferably), preamp, and interface(if different from preamp)...not too hard, and helpful to other enthusiasts...new or not.
;) :cheers: :)
 
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