Thank you, you beautiful bastard!!!

Yargnad said:
I'm not a fan of full hard panning most of the time. Some tracks sound okay that way, but I don't normally go any further than about 80%. A lot of the older recordings which sound awesome like that have some crossover effect between the stereo channels on the master bus which is missing in the digital realm unless you add it back.

Although crossover is technically a bad thing, it is really what made older analog recordings gel the way they do. There are even plugins which model the specific type of crossover bleed from specific famous mixing consoles like Neve or SSL.
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For what I do, it works great. :p
 
Yargnad said:
I'm not knocking your technique at all. Just giving you another way to approach it. A lot of things will sound good until you AB compare it to a different way of doing it. The hard left and right pan has become popular again but without a lot of people realizing the crossover effect involved in the classic recordings which they're trying to emulate. I'm always looking for better ways to do things.

For example, even though I've been doing this for over 20 years now, I've just come around to mixing my electronic tracks down using mid-side (M/S) encoding, also known as joint stereo. Basically the left track has all the mono information, and the right track has only the difference data between the left and right on the stereo bus. This has the benefit of sounding much better when listening to a track on a phone or Alexa or Google speaker which are usually only mono. These devices will default to the Left channel which is a mono mixdown without phase issues. If you were listening to a recording that was hard panned left and right, you may be missing everything in the right channel depending on the source encoding and how that particular device collapses audio down to mono. This technique was invented to handle the transition from mono to stereo recordings on records, so it's been around a very long time.

Those engineers were incredibly smart for being able to come up with this to handle being able to play stereo records on mono turntables and vice versa; the side to side motion of the needle is the left channel and the up and down motion is the right channel. Since mono record player needles only move side to side they only played the left (mono) channel. Stereo record player needles also move up and down to receive the right (difference) channel data and all of this is fed through a RIAA preamp which does the M/S decoding back into normal stereo.

This technique is also the basis of Dolby's Prologic encoding, except it's being done with five channels instead of two. I am only just now coming around to this and I wish I had known it since the beginning. That's basically the reason for me explaining how I do things. Just a different flavor for you to savor.
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I totally get what you are saying. I have more to learn in the recording field. I want to make a song that will sound good no matter whats it's played on. It takes lot of experimenting and trial and error and time. Which I don't have, I just want to bang out tunes with what I know, till I learn more about recording.

On the next song, I will try something different like hard pan left and right two track and 80% hard left with other two tracks, Before I used to hard pan left-right 2 track and used to leave one in the center that worked well too.

It is interesting to learn a new trick in recording/mixing.
 
Yargnad said:
I remember Daryl Hall mentioning that he hates the technical aspect of recording and just wanted to play and not have to deal with the recording aspect since it kills his creativity in the moment. I totally agree with that sentiment and I hated all that mess getting my my way too so I went so deep down the rabbit hole to the point where everything in my studio was wired up and ready to go at all times.

Every amp, microphone, pedalboard, synth, drums, everything ready to rock at a moments notice so I could just boot up the PC and mixers and start rolling. It helps most to have templates for your setup already saved in your DAW then you can just click new project and record immediately before you lose the inspiration. Dicking with gear and software totally sucks when you just want to play.
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can you come over and the same for me? I’ll buy you real cheap beer and I’ll keep talking to you while you work. Sound like a fantastic deal to me.
 
JohnnyGoo said:
:poo: Blink that sounds awesome.LRT in there i take it ? Nice job.Im listening to you guys with my morning coffee.:poo: makes me want to smoke hajajajajjaahhahahahaha.its legal here in Washington by the way folks.No law breaker here :(View attachment 67477
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JohnnyGoo said:
Say Blink you must be what South West of me here by Cheney.?
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Thanks, Goo! LRT is in there too.
By the time we finally captured an "acceptable" take, we were already pretty hammered....there's a bit of slop in there that wasn't present in some of the earlier takes, but getting to the end without fking up too bad proved to be a challenge, so once we finally got through it once I said "f*ck it" and we just rolled with it. I think we'll end up retracking it and try to use double tracking (at least) for the guitars next.
Yes, we're a bit more west than south, but pretty much! Quincy/George/Ephrata area.
...the desert lol
 
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Yargnad said:
I remember Daryl Hall mentioning that he hates the technical aspect of recording and just wanted to play and not have to deal with the recording aspect since it kills his creativity in the moment. I totally agree with that sentiment and I hated all that mess getting my my way too so I went so deep down the rabbit hole to the point where everything in my studio was wired up and ready to go at all times.

Every amp, microphone, pedalboard, synth, drums, everything ready to rock at a moments notice so I could just boot up the PC and mixers and start rolling. It helps most to have templates for your setup already saved in your DAW then you can just click new project and record immediately before you lose the inspiration. Dicking with gear and software totally sucks when you just want to play.
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I think maybe Daryl Hall and I feel the same way, like you too lol

Templates sound like a great idea. I'll have to mess around with making one or two of those!
 
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