Gibson is Flexing New Muscle

[mcblink]

I do. The V neck is very comfortable. Plays like a dream

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Comfy, you say??? That's good news. Over the last year or so, I've become very comfortable with the big fat '58 neck profile. I was wondering how this neck might feel in comparison. I've learned over time that skinny thin necks just don't do it for me anymore. I wanna squeeze some meat in my hand, not matchsticks lol

 

[RVA]

Comfy, you say??? That's good news. Over the last year or so, I've become very comfortable with the big fat '58 neck profile. I was wondering how this neck might feel in comparison. I've learned over time that skinny thin necks just don't do it for me anymore. I wanna squeeze some meat in my hand, not matchsticks lol

The V shape retains the broader shoulders and then tapers to allow room to stretch. It is a lovely compromise.

 

[eSGEe]

which neck does the "V" guitar show?
"D"
or "V" ?

my bass has a Deep D -- but is narrow so Ic an manage it -- I normally dont like Louisville Slugger style FAT necks -- this one is JUST right--

ANd she is a looker!

 

[eSGEe]

FYI the thing is HUGE its actually about an INCH longer than my Thunderbird --- which is another HUGE beastie

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

12:51+ is the message after talking about unrelated stuff.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

I watched till about 30:00 SO far.

 

[mcblink]

The V shape retains the broader shoulders and then tapers to allow room to stretch. It is a lovely compromise.

I can't wait to try it out!

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

I have a 1938 Archtop with a Killer V neck. I mean it is VVVVVVVVVV for sure. If I could build my own neck for a guitar, I would likely try to make my own V as my first effort.

 

[smitty_p]

12:51+ is the message after talking about unrelated stuff.

I’ve watched that video. He makes some interesting observations.

 

[Tony M.]

I do. The V neck is very comfortable. Plays like a dream

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Is Gibson suing Dean about Ray's guitar too.
It has a single cutaway so Dean must be trying to pass it off as a Les Paul.
Come to think of it, they should sue Paul Reed Smith too.
How dare he have the same name as their guitar!!!
..and what about the switch placement on the 594?
Won't that make people think it's a les Paul too?
It even says Paul on the headstock for Chrissake!

Look at it!
OMG! It has 4 dials too!
...and it has 9 birds. Count 'em.
Gibson owns the rights to the birds.
They even stole the bookmatched top...
Wake up that legal staff Gibbo!

 

[Tony M.]

Those EBMM clowns better watch out too.
They're gonna have both Gibson and Fender
all over them for making that Paulocaster thing.

 

[Tony M.]

Where's my coffee?

 

[eSGEe]

Careful Tony Bully Guitar Co. LTD.LLC.EST ESQ.MD.PDQ. will be coming for you.. . .Agnutso the sell out says so

 

[67plexi]

Gibson did win a case on the neck joint on PRS guitars.

 

[smitty_p]

Gibson did win a case on the neck joint on PRS guitars.

Is that why PRS started using that really big heel on their necks?

 

[smitty_p]

Ok here is my question: Did Gretsch sue Fender as soon as they announced the "broadcaster" or did they wait a number of years? The major roadblock to Gibson right now is Tacit Consent. As far as I understand, if this is a "trademark infringement" case then you must defend that trademark at all times. allowing Dean to make these guitars for over 40 years without saying a word up until this point would mean that this whole case should be thrown out if that is indeed true.

Gretsch jumped on Fender almost immediately. The Broadcaster was only on the market from 1950-51 before Fender had to get rid of the name.

As for the Hummingbird issue in the current Gibson lawsuit, I don't know how long Luna has had the Hummingbird line, but Luna has only been in existence since 2005.

The focus on the 40 year run where Dean has made guitars that look like Gibson guitars deals with different models. Those are the Dean V and Z, which Dean introduced in 1977. To me, this will be the trickier one for Gibson to win, as Gibson didn't trademark the V and Explorer shapes until 1997, even though they were introduced in 1958.

Then again, it all depends on how a jury (which very possibly won't have a single guitarist on it) views these things. The actual V and Z body shapes are nearly perfect replications of the Flying V and Explorer shapes, which are originally Gibson designs. This cannot be denied. I suspect Gibson will try to hammer that point. On the other hand, I suspect Armadillo will draw attention to the finer nuances of how long Gibson has left these things unchallenged, tacit consent, and so on.

It will be interesting to watch.

 

[Metal89]

Gretsch jumped on Fender almost immediately. The Broadcaster was only on the market from 1950-51 before Fender had to get rid of the name.

As for the Hummingbird issue in the current Gibson lawsuit, I don't know how long Luna has had the Hummingbird line, but Luna has only been in existence since 2005.

The focus on the 40 year run where Dean has made guitars that look like Gibson guitars deals with different models. Those are the Dean V and Z, which Dean introduced in 1977. To me, this will be the trickier one for Gibson to win, as Gibson didn't trademark the V and Explorer shapes until 1997, even though they were introduced in 1958.

Then again, it all depends on how a jury (which very possibly won't have a single guitarist on it) views these things. The actual V and Z body shapes are nearly perfect replications of the Flying V and Explorer shapes, which are originally Gibson designs. This cannot be denied. I suspect Gibson will try to hammer that point. On the other hand, I suspect Armadillo will draw attention to the finer nuances of how long Gibson has left these things unchallenged, tacit consent, and so on.

It will be interesting to watch.

Oh yea, definitely no arguement that the shapes are identical. As far as the humming bird acoustics go, I think they also have some ground to stand on as far as Tacit consent. From my understanding, for the whole trademark thing you have to do what Gretsch did and jump on it from the get go. not wait a number of years and then say "Oh by the way, the name of a bird belongs to us too." I still think it's dangerous to let them win in either case because at that point. Where is the line drawn? Are they also going to win against dean for the SG'ish shape (that I still stand by looks nothing like an SG to me) because then at that point holy crap, that's opening pandora's box.

 

[Tony M.]

Wake up people!

Gibson and Dean are in cahoots here.
No matter what the outcome, the Dean guitars become
"the Dean lawsuit guitars" and will thus become collectables.
Their value goes up. Dean pays Gibson a cut for filing the phony lawsuit.
The Gibson models appreciate too because new attention has been called to them.

Dean wins.
Gibson wins.
The collectable market wins.

Remember the DEA raids on Gibson?
Remember what they did with the wood when they got it back?
"We will make more on the Government collectable guitars than we pay out for the fine."
"We will also not have to pay the DEA protection check this year. More profit!"

Can you say "Ford Pinto"?

 

[smitty_p]

Are they also going to win against dean for the SG'ish shape (that I still stand by looks nothing like an SG to me) because then at that point holy crap, that's opening pandora's box.

As a matter of fact, yes...part of this lawsuit includes the SG shape (I'm guessing that is for Dean's Grand Sport guitar) and the ES shape (I assume that is for Luna's Athena).

There are really seven items which are the subject of this lawsuit:

1. The V shape.
2. The Z shape
3. The SG Shape
4. The ES Shape
5. Dean's "Dovewing" headstock
6. The Hummingbird name
7. The Moderne trademark.

People haven't talked much about the Moderne issue. I think it has to do with Dean's forked headstock, which vaguely resembles the Moderne offset forked headstock:

Here's a pic of the Moderne headstock:



So, yeah...Gibson is going all in, with kind of a scorched earth approach.

 

[smitty_p]

That is a gorgeous guitar!