At this time---

Well, i do not see anything in the schematic which gives a hint on something special. And of course the PSU is able to deliver more power during very short pulses, like it is in any amplifier. In Germany there has been a definition called "Musikleistung". That weas the power that wouuld have been delivered if the voltages were kept on the values of an idle amp. Correspondingly the schamtics of that time showed voltages under full load. Something i implicitly assumed here a well.

But anyway, a well designed amp with good quality transformers will sound fine, regardles if it has 15 or 30 Watts - that will not make much in the perceived loudness (but it may matter a lot for its ability to cut through a loud environment or not...)
 
I think the moral of the story is Adrian likes to say "I have a Mesa"
Cant say I blame him.

Maybe it 20 watts but 30 what?s cause its real loud.
 
LOL--- Im not even using the "full power" at all I use the "attenuation" feature ALWAYS--and MIGHT be ACTUALLY gettin 1-3 watts of "actual" not dyna-- or any other marketing babble --watts from it--

I dont have any "mix" to cut through except when the dogs get to wrestling around on the floor and fighting over toys lol


SO it has WAAAAY more juice than I will ever use/need---

whats that jtcnj?? YOu know a guy in Florida with a Mesa???? do tell........ :)

wait is it --- oh yes, its ME--- I HAVE A MESA and it BOOGIES ;)
 
I actually have listd several other amps for Sale -- inlcuding this like new factory fresh TWEED clone 5 watts -- built in attenuation-- GREAT little head-- I just dont use any others any more --
I forced (forced) myself to turn the Peavey Bandit on last night---I go straight to the Mesa--- like a moth to flame-----
Panama is clean as whistle and 250.00 if anyone is interested
Panama purple.jpg

ALSO have a VOX Valvetronix VT20+ Im selling --120.00
and a VOX BA50 bass amp with "nutube" technology --(FYI it also does a GREAT Marshall tone w/ guitar) 165.00
 
GLWS.
Those Panama get good reviews; if I recall that is a tweed champ circuit?
or Princetonish with the added tone pot....
 
jtcnj said:
I think the moral of the story is Adrian likes to say "I have a Mesa"
Cant say I blame him.

Maybe it 20 watts but 30 what?s cause its real loud.
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Man, 20/25 watts can shake the rafters. At full band volume my 25-watt Mesas are not even past 11:00 on the masters.
 
gball said:
Man, 20/25 watts can shake the rafters. At full band volume my 25-watt Mesas are not even past 11:00 on the masters.
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A friend of mine has a Silverface Twin and a VOX AC30. The VOX blows the Fender away...
 
jtcnj said:
GLWS.
Those Panama get good reviews; if I recall that is a tweed champ circuit?
or Princetonish with the added tone pot....
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YES the Prince of CHampion Tweeds-----

IT is a good amp for sure and the ATTENUATION knob on the back allows one to CRANK the volume DRIVE the Tube and NOT break ear drums in a small otherwise quiet room---

very nice cleans-- gritty tube drive dirt--- great amp-- I just never turn it on anymore as I am addicted to this damn MESA
 
eSGEe said:
YES the Prince of CHampion Tweeds-----

IT is a good amp for sure and the ATTENUATION knob on the back allows one to CRANK the volume DRIVE the Tube and NOT break ear drums in a small otherwise quiet room---

very nice cleans-- gritty tube drive dirt--- great amp-- I just never turn it on anymore as I am addicted to this damn MESA
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I'm pretty much addicted to my Mark 5. So much that I send the Silver Jubilee back (which I have been second-guessing of late, but that's another story) and my Mini Rec never gets turned on - maybe I should sell it?
 
A Mini Rec--- that NEVER TURNS ON!?!?!?!

Trade ya a Panama for it BUWAHAHAHAHHAH ;) Ill even throw in the cabinet!!!

I would offer my liver but I think your healthier than me to start with and you dont need a rum soaked liver anyway :)
 
bea said:
Well, i do not see anything in the schematic which gives a hint on something special. And of course the PSU is able to deliver more power during very short pulses, like it is in any amplifier. In Germany there has been a definition called "Musikleistung". That weas the power that wouuld have been delivered if the voltages were kept on the values of an idle amp. Correspondingly the schamtics of that time showed voltages under full load. Something i implicitly assumed here a well.

But anyway, a well designed amp with good quality transformers will sound fine, regardles if it has 15 or 30 Watts - that will not make much in the perceived loudness (but it may matter a lot for its ability to cut through a loud environment or not...)
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It does make one wonder, doesn’t it?

I completely trust your analysis, so it makes me wonder what this Dyna-Watt thing is all about.
 
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I like my Vox Rhythm 5. But I have to say , I got rid of my Vox AC4C1 tuber, to get the Orange 35RT SS which I am really pleased with !! If I ever decide to buy another amp it won't be Vox it will be a Traynor.
 
From a "gear forum" discussion--

Basically the 'Dyna Watt' system has nowt much to do with the amps operating class. It is a system where some energy is stored in capacitors to give a bigger momentary output when required eg for greater impact to initial note transient attacks. They have tended to use it with the lower powered EL84 amps like my Subway, your DC2 and the F.30 for example, and it is quite effective without being obvious. It won't do anything for the continuous RMS power output of course, but for lead work especially it can help the amp to punch a bit above its weight.

okay, so maybe i used the wrong industry fluff word, but they're still using SS tech and not a pure A design like a lot of other 15-18w small heads. when you switch it up to 25w you're switching over to AB circuitry, which is how they do it. when you switch down to 5-15w you're running A class power.

that's how Mesa does it. they've never been "dishonest" about it, but a lot of their fans and sales staff would have you think otherwise about this particular line of amps.
As I understand it, AB means the amp uses a push pull method via the two EL84s to generate the signal wave. When its operating in Class A, essentially one of the power tubes is removed from the circuit creating a pseudo-single ended amp. Its all tube, except the rectifier.
 
eSGEe said:
From a "gear forum" discussion--

Basically the 'Dyna Watt' system has nowt much to do with the amps operating class. It is a system where some energy is stored in capacitors to give a bigger momentary output when required eg for greater impact to initial note transient attacks. They have tended to use it with the lower powered EL84 amps like my Subway, your DC2 and the F.30 for example, and it is quite effective without being obvious. It won't do anything for the continuous RMS power output of course, but for lead work especially it can help the amp to punch a bit above its weight.

okay, so maybe i used the wrong industry fluff word, but they're still using SS tech and not a pure A design like a lot of other 15-18w small heads. when you switch it up to 25w you're switching over to AB circuitry, which is how they do it. when you switch down to 5-15w you're running A class power.

that's how Mesa does it. they've never been "dishonest" about it, but a lot of their fans and sales staff would have you think otherwise about this particular line of amps.
As I understand it, AB means the amp uses a push pull method via the two EL84s to generate the signal wave. When its operating in Class A, essentially one of the power tubes is removed from the circuit creating a pseudo-single ended amp. Its all tube, except the rectifier.
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I don't know how it works. I don't care how it works. What I do know is it's for real, and my "25-watt" Mesas easily hang with any 50/60 watt amp I have played through. No match for an 80 or 100 in terms of headroom or big-bottle low end but in terms of dynamics, presence and usable volume they are all I could possibly need at this point.
 
eSGEe said:
A Mini Rec--- that NEVER TURNS ON!?!?!?!

Trade ya a Panama for it BUWAHAHAHAHHAH ;) Ill even throw in the cabinet!!!

I would offer my liver but I think your healthier than me to start with and you dont need a rum soaked liver anyway :)
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Here's the thing. The Mini-Rec has a truly great clean channel, like a perfect pedal platform channel, and then it has it's ripping/tearing drive channel, but it's not as nuanced, touch sensitive or versatile as the Mk 5. The Mark can easily do 90% of anything the Mini can, but the Mini can't really touch the quality of the tones coming out of the Mk. 5. Not close. Then factor in the 6 modes and the EQ and the built-in CabClone and it's just no contest.

It may not be fair since the Mk 5 costs 50% more than the Mini, but it renders the Mini superfluous. I got the Mini initially because it's a sturdy, portable little package in a nice carry bag, so it's perfect as a solution when you need to be mobile. But since the band went on hiatus, I just don't have any real need for it.

One last thing - the Mk 5 sounds incredible at any volume, even down at conversation volume. The Mini needs to be wound up quite a bit to sound its best. When you get there, it's a killer, classic hard rock/metal tone (it is basically an SLO after all) but it's pretty damn loud at that point. At lower volumes it seems to be at its best only with an OD in front of it, and the Mk doesn't need anything to sound monstrous at lower volumes.
 
So the MK 5 (for your uses) is superior-- so SEE you dont NEED that CRAPPY duel rectum frier around----its just in the way----what you nee dis a nice CHamp of Prince Tweeds (in royal purple tolex of course) to balance the "power" of your amp wall. ;)
 
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